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There's certainly a difference.
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14 Jun 2017, 10:25 (Ref:3741137) | #55 | ||
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Bourdais weighs in. http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130132
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"Texas will fix itself. It’s going to age, and then the groove is going to get wider and that will give drivers more options." |
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The difference between Phoenix/Pocono/Indy/Milwaukee and Texas/Las Vegas is not speed but banking. It's just dumb and they should have stopped over a decade ago. *Iowa splits the difference in banking but is a short track anyway. |
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I agree with Bourdais about short memories but apart from Fontana 2015, I thought pack racing post Las Vegas 2011, had been all but eliminated? I honestly think this was circumstance. |
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15 Jun 2017, 01:41 (Ref:3741483) | #62 | |||
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Here's one quote from him from the same article: “Thankfully no one paid the ultimate price, but let’s not keep dodging bullets for too long because at some point something bad will happen.” I honestly hope you're right, but I'd rather not have to dodge a bullet next year or the year after just because someone needs to have a race at a track or in a region. It is simply not worth extra risk. This sport is already dangerous enough. |
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A bit of PR on his behalf, imho. He'd rather not throw shade on the track completely. Understandable. I will. It's been a square peg in a round hole for decades. If you're happy with it; enjoy it. I haven't for decades. Texas is the last one standing from other tracks that should never have had OW cars race on to begin with. For valid reasons, but I won't convince you of that and you won't convince me otherwise.
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This conversation is not unique. Both sides of the coin are referenced here:
http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints...-show-at-texas Last edited by fieldodreams79; 15 Jun 2017 at 03:41. |
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Haha righto - thanks Sebastien
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15 Jun 2017, 16:06 (Ref:3741688) | #68 | ||
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Some interesting comments from some of the drivers regrading last weekend's race.
http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130162 |
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15 Jun 2017, 20:56 (Ref:3741957) | #69 | ||
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Also an interesting convo between Marshall and Robin:
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/14...r-news-june-15 |
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More testing should have been done because it's a unique place. Lots of warnings from drivers, similar to Vegas. This is negligence on the part of the series. History repeated itself. Not good. And your 1.5 mile oval jab completely missed points I've made and others have made here and points made by Marshall and Robin, too. I've recognized that aero, tires and more can eliminate packs, but you completely fail to recognize the past issues and how that is applied to this specific track and others similar to it. |
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Will have to agree to disagree here. Move on and look forward to the 2018 installment of the Texas 600 without the pack racing.
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Due diligence on the part of IndyCar is paramount to avoid this next year with a new car on a two-year-old surface (if they come back) and in the future to never let it happen again, but pack racing is still not the only concern with Texas.
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Apparently, after first the payout is less than last on the PGA tour. 30k, 20k was Robin Miller's estimate for second and third. And almost 2 million in damaged cars.
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In 2001, the fiasco surrounding the Firestone Firehawk 600 was down to limited testing. This year, it was the changes to the track and in particular limited tyre testing on the new surface. |
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