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Stupid question - what is a PFV (Performance Factory Vehicle)?
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20 Jun 2017, 22:08 (Ref:3745615) | #8678 | |
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Interesting...Assuming this thing has to have a roll cage, then it seems like GT3 and GT4 already take care of this...
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20 Jun 2017, 22:42 (Ref:3745621) | #8680 | ||
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There's probably a better term to use, but "PFV" is what the people I've heard talking about it are using so I slipped into that terminology - you could call it an "open" class, but since there are likely to be restrictions that would be a bit misleading.
Anyhow, PFV is one of many terms for semi-open classes featuring factory-built cars, sometimes roadcar based but usually not, which don't fit homologation requirements for any other class. Examples include the Ginetta G57, Renault Sport RS01, and the Radical RXC Coupe. (the latter two have managed to get GT3 homolgations, but both are restricted relative to their normal versions - the unhomologated versions would run in a PFV type of class) The recently announced Pescarolo 04-LM and Ligier JSP4 would also fit into such a category. Cars not unlike a late 90s GT1 could make their way to it, but I don't think any such cars really exist right now. Closest I can think of is the aforementioned Renault. |
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20 Jun 2017, 23:49 (Ref:3745627) | #8681 | |
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Seems like an answer to a question no one has asked??
Esp since the cars you list wouldn't exactly be leaders compared to GTLM. Seems like they are in the LMPC gap more than a headlining class of cars. |
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Personally I stopped worrying about that long ago; Motorsports is full of such things. Probably half the motorsports classes in the world are answers to questions no one asked.
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21 Jun 2017, 00:37 (Ref:3745631) | #8683 | ||
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Sounds intriguing. To echo your words Fox, do we need it? Which got me thinking, if this rumor gains traction, is this possibly a counter against competition ie: projected growth of WEC P1-L, or perhaps a domestic organization that's vying for team/cars?
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21 Jun 2017, 00:57 (Ref:3745632) | #8684 | |
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The potential... size of the can of worms this class' BoP could induce is huge.
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21 Jun 2017, 01:54 (Ref:3745643) | #8685 | ||
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21 Jun 2017, 03:03 (Ref:3745657) | #8686 | ||
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Honestly it can't be any worse than the troubles they're already having across all the current classes. GTLM and GTD in particular have just as wide a variety of stuff to balance as this class would.
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21 Jun 2017, 05:17 (Ref:3745668) | #8687 | ||
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That PFV thing doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. IMSA is all about the manufacturers, and PFV sounds like the polar opposite of that.
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21 Jun 2017, 06:45 (Ref:3745682) | #8688 | |
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There's occasionally the discussion of wanting somewhere to race P1 GTR/FXX-K/Vulcan type things but that's entirely different than orphaned one make prototypes.
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But no, PFV is not the polar opposite of of having a goal of being about the manufacturers. After all, the class isn't necessarily about garage builds - though you could make it such if you wanted, all the cars in the current most common examples of the classes are built by actual manufacturers. And on the subject of manufacturer interest... Quote:
On the subject of road car manufacturer involvement, though, here's another little something that would be legal in a true PFV class: |
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21 Jun 2017, 18:57 (Ref:3745850) | #8692 | ||
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Well, as I said earlier....
Though that was less than clear for what I meant. Should have said, "I don't think any exist that a manufacturer is really concerned with actually racing." |
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Next up the McLaren PFV.
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22 Jun 2017, 03:56 (Ref:3745908) | #8695 | ||
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I hope to see the Glickenhaus SCG 003 in PFV.
James always wanted to be in Daytona and Sebring with this car. |
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22 Jun 2017, 12:31 (Ref:3746025) | #8696 | |
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I betcha if Glickenhaus could pay that million dollar manufacturer fee IMSA mandates they will make a place for them in GTD. I doubt they have those kind of funds though.
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There is a whole page talking about the possibility of IMSA including PFV in your series and you come out with GTD, you should read more before you comment. If IMSA asks 1 million to those who want to enter PFV they will not have any cars in this category, they are all small manufacturers. |
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22 Jun 2017, 13:13 (Ref:3746041) | #8698 | ||
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Well, so far I'm not particularly convinced there'll be a PFV category at all.
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So, my guess is that Renault would be charged to run the RS01, but Pescarolo and Gintta would get their cars in without it. It seems to be road car manufacturer = million dollar charge. So Glickenhaus would probably be facing the fee. And I concur, IF a PFV class were in place, they would race the SCG003 in it - they would clearly prefer to run flat out if the option was available, and like the Ginetta G57 the SCG003 can allegedly approach now-old LMP2 speeds. (as can the Ford GT when unrestricted, so an unrestricted GT LM could be seen if a PFV class were to be created) It's also worth keeping in mind that the manufacturer doesn't have to be the one to pay it up. Ben Keating covered the fee for the Viper and is allegedly putting up at least part of it for the Mercedes. So it might not be an issue - depends on how badly someone would want something in the class. |
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