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Why is GT4 vital for the future of the Bathurst 12 Hour? GT4 is the succession plan for GT3 racing and the Bathurst 12 Hour. The event due to its geographic distance can not rely on GT3 to provide a grid long term. It is widely anticipated that due to costs GT3 numbers will slowly reduce worldwide and GT4 will become the focus of both participants and manufacturers. Do you not believe in or value succession planning Peckstar? |
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Upon entry into the Bathurst 1000, it should be mandatory to view the compelling "Moffat - Man and the Mountain" film |
9 Feb 2018, 03:05 (Ref:3799757) | #77 | |
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The Mustang GT4 is built by Multimatic by the given graces of FoMoCo.
Alternative tuners cannot simply build a GT4 car from road cars without prior approval from the OEM. Mobs like Ekris, Prospeed et al have built their GT4 cars ahead of many factory customer sports divisions efforts (Audi Sport, AMG Customer sports etc.), but it is unlikely they will ever be able to build up a GT4 car from the same brand again once the manufacturer gets involved themselves. This occurred in GT3. Reiter can not build Lambo GT3's off the latest model (Huracan) as that was moved in-house - so the R-EX (Gallardo) is them extracting the most from their licence agreement. With this in play, Tickford can not built an alternative GT4 Mustang, as the FoMoCo licence agreement is with Multimatic only. Thus the price tag for the GT4 car (whilst prohibitive) is set - complete with the market monopolisation in mind. This is why small bespoke race car brands, such as the Reiter KTM, Ginetta and Sin - continue to be relevant. |
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9 Feb 2018, 05:26 (Ref:3799775) | #78 | |
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One only needs to look at the Sepang 12hr as the reason why the Bathurst 12hr should never become a one-class GT3 only event
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9 Feb 2018, 06:53 (Ref:3799779) | #79 | ||
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No one has ever suggested that it should become a one class event. the discusion is getting rid of the Gt4 class. We ahev got rid of classes before from the 12 hour. We have been able to move on. No one sat back in the 12 hour thread and mentioned how they missed the BMW or the production classes |
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9 Feb 2018, 07:10 (Ref:3799780) | #80 | |
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GT4 races with gt3 in blancpain Asia as well.
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The point of a multiclass race is you'll keep classes of entries from year to year if one of the classes implodes due to runaway escalating costs (GT3 has been on the verge of that for at least 1-2 years now and is still walking a hazardous tightrope). And it's better that, if you have a global class that's poised to take over when that happens, you ENCOURAGE entries from that class, not ban them. As almost everyone above me has already said.
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9 Feb 2018, 08:24 (Ref:3799796) | #84 | ||
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Is a pro-am and pro-pro GT3 entry not the makings of a class-based race?
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9 Feb 2018, 08:30 (Ref:3799797) | #85 | ||
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On the basis that they are given awards as separate classes and shown in live timing / tv race updates /results as separate classes its hard to argue against that they form part of a class based race.
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9 Feb 2018, 11:22 (Ref:3799828) | #86 | ||
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However No one is suggesting not having multiclass racing. Only as a strawman. the suggesting is to not have GT4. Sepang had multiclass racing including Gt4, It didnt go ahead, so it failed the theory you provided. If gt4 was introduced for the reasoning you said, then after over ten years it would have taken over, but it hasnt and so that theory is weak sorry the evidence that Gt3 is failing is not overly great, yes in certain places it |
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9 Feb 2018, 11:26 (Ref:3799832) | #87 | |
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and Am, so we effectively had six classes this year, officially 4 and one class ahd 3 sub classes. On the timing sheets though six categories are mentioned
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9 Feb 2018, 12:49 (Ref:3799860) | #88 | |
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Anyone whinging about GT4 cars is obviously trying very hard to have a whinge for the sake of it.
Given they are all the same cars and the only thing that puts them in seperate "classes" is the choice of driver, then the answer is no, of course it doesn't make a class race. Did anyone ever claim privateers were their own separate class in the Bathurst 1000 back in the day? |
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9 Feb 2018, 21:25 (Ref:3800084) | #89 | |
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Yes, the promotors and commentators.
They even had their own control tyre for a couple of years. |
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9 Feb 2018, 23:34 (Ref:3800121) | #90 | ||
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Class racing is about big cars and little cars, managing traffic with the slower cars etc etc |
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10 Feb 2018, 05:49 (Ref:3800161) | #91 | ||
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Thast not the definition of Class racing at all. It just happens to be what sometimes happens. its not what class racing is, Ist possible to have two classes that a similar speeds. |
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10 Feb 2018, 06:14 (Ref:3800165) | #92 | |
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In the history of motor racing, I would say it's what has happened the majority of the time.
You are contriving classes if you have the same specification of cars split up and expect anyone to take that as "class racing". |
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10 Feb 2018, 06:26 (Ref:3800173) | #93 | ||
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It is quite possible to have two classes that travel at similar times. For instance last years (2017) the Class B and the invitational class had almost the same time. managing traffic was nothing to do with it. even this year it was pretty close, but it was not about managing traffic |
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10 Feb 2018, 23:51 (Ref:3800371) | #94 | ||
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Did you even watch the race? Did you see what the Daytona or the Viper was doing to the Class B Porsche's on the straights? Did you see what the Class B Porsche's were doing to the Daytona and the Viper across the top? PLENTY of traffic management in all that. |
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and really, the class B porsche spent the bulk of the race looking backwards in case a daytona came up behind it. the difference in both places was minimal. Please stop making stuff up |
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11 Feb 2018, 02:34 (Ref:3800391) | #96 | |
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Multi class racing is great and the drivers enjoy the challenge of dealing with the slower cars and vice versa. Glad it's not going anywhere.
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11 Feb 2018, 02:39 (Ref:3800393) | #97 | |
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Sorry guys but the novelty of the 12 hours of Bathurst has worn off in my mind. With so many safety car periods, the race has become somewhat of a joke. Unless the organizers find ideas to cut the safety car periods by at least half. This event is going to become minor league. Teams won't want to ship their cars over to Australia only to see them get smashed up. I would put this race in the same category as the Macau FIA GT world cup race. Is the risk worth it anymore?
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11 Feb 2018, 02:48 (Ref:3800397) | #98 | ||
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I didnt hear one driver in a GT3 cars announce that they enjoyed dealing with the slower cars. the common response was "the traffic makes it difficult, but it something you have to deal with". No one at all said" i enjoy passing the same car every 6 laps" (last year it was every 5 laps, not one person or poster has said they missed having the slower cars) Because of that im suggesting you dont actually care and will make no difference to your interest. However it might reduce safety cars thus causing less people to become jaded like masked racer has mentioned |
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11 Feb 2018, 02:56 (Ref:3800401) | #99 | ||
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The teams have no interest in limiting the amount of cars of either class and I've noticed dealt with a driver who would prefer reducing the variety, because they're endurance drivers and it's part and parcel of endurance racing. |
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Happy for you to provide a quote. Watched Asian Le Mans, no Gt4 there, why is that? |
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