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That would sure explain why the Camaro prototype was always faster than the Mustang prototype. What a fundamental error in efforts to determine parity between the prototype lap testing and between lap testing on this all-in test day. Did SC even make sure the cars were the same weight for VCAT testing? Quote:
Did somebody "forget" the engine minimum weight and engine COG rules that were already introduced previously and somehow forget to add engine ballast to LS engines to correct for that?! Surely Mr. Hasted was not so remiss to 'forget' to weigh the two engines and strap weights to the sides of the LS engine?! He seems a fair operator, so that's unlikely. So was the plan that it would be added to the chassis and it was somebody else who (accidentally on purpose?) " forgot " to mandate in-bay engine weights on the front of the chassis to correct the engine COG & engine weight of the Camaro? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 22 Feb 2023 at 13:34. |
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Still almost zero signage in cars/reams/trucks/garages pledging allegiance to Ford or Chevrolet…
Are the only Chev markings on the 888 ‘works’ cars really on the end plates of the front splitter? |
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It seems a huge oversight that every example of both types both engines went through Hasted's shop. Hasted has measured both engines in weight and COG (not every single one, but a sample you wouldn't expect much variability), but nobody made sure to supply and fit the engine ballast to all the Camaros in time for an *officially timed* pre-season test (or even in time for prototype testing?). Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 22 Feb 2023 at 14:00. |
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Maybe to early to conclude but I have the impression the Gen 3 cars lean less in the corners.
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Some stunning silence on the topic of why the engine ballast was allegedy missing from the Camaros, mind you... You'd assume the ballast would be delivered together with the checked engines from Craigsted, together with the brackets to install it -- whether it is to be attached to the engine or front chassis rails. |
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You had two prototypes?! That doesn't make sense... |
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....all of which to me proves the old motor racing adage that the work needed will expand to fit the available time frame.
The time frame of course concludes on Friday morning at Newcastle, so I'd expect a few things to juggle around further between now and then but hopefully once we get to that Friday morning, all specs, weights etc will be sorted and in place. Been there far too many times with far too many new cars to expect this to do anything other than go down to the wire. |
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Should it be the case that the Camaros were running around 60kg too light in the front, this represents a huge advantage to the Ford teams as their data collected on the day despite SC mapping blunders are reasonably relevant whereas the Camaro data may as well have been collected from a Goggomobile. 60 extra kg on the nose is game changing.
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BJR chose not to run their engine ballast. 888 did run their engine ballast. It wasn't mandated because the minimum weight isn't set yet. And No, it hasn't been "forgotten" |
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So no minimum weight, but T8 ran ballast to achieve minimum weight, which again hasn't been set yet. Hmmm....
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Not to achieve mininmum weight, WHICH HASN'T BEEN SET YET |
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It's a worry! It's very concerning that Mark Rushbrook's concerns were not acted on promptly, such that he had to raise them publicly. The use of unreliable (unrepeatable?) airfield testing instead of a wind tunnel doesn't help matters! |
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Seems Supercars are going to be Very busy in the next two weeks, with so much to fix before the first race of the new Generation. The vision out the front was an easy fix, but we still have a wheel issue, throttle problems, aero differences and there are still the weight to be sorted out. Apart from Motorsport.com, nobody has been talking about the Flexi mounts on the front wing of the Camaro that have now been Banned. That was kept Quiet.
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How does an un-tried car be consistently that much faster than a car that has been in the series 3 years? Need more manufacturers. At the end of the day, as good as Triple 8 are, parity always goes there way. Be interesting if they ran Fords right now or brought in a new manufacturer...
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Neither of the cars have “been in the series for three years”. New engines, completely different chassis, different bodywork etc. Think that I read that the only carryover from before is the transaxle.
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James Courtney weighs in, having driven both prototypes around Queensland Raceway:
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All in due time it seems, lol! It seems a worry that Rushbrook raised concerns long ago from prototype laptimes, yet little action was taken in a timely manner, hence requiring Rushbrook to make a public statement. Rather unprofessional from ATCC organisers to not be more proactive to ensure Mustangs have no disadvantage! How did it even come to be that the Mustang prototype was 8 tenths per lap slower -- that's just bizarre. |
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On the flipside, DJR, Tickford, WAU and Grove engineers and management are silent on the matter. |
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