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26 Mar 2024, 07:58 (Ref:4202803) | #951 | |
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I've been supportive of Russell earlier in the thread - like 2022, he seems to have started the season better than Lewis.
But I do think he has a tendency to crumble under pressure. Alonso seems to have been given the blame for the incident in Australia but am I being unfair in thinking that other drivers would have used the situation to their advantage - i.e. Alonso was a sitting duck on the following straight had Russell not binned it?? As an aside, I think that when Lewis does leave at the end of the year, Mercedes will be glad. I've had colleagues before who only seem to utter negative things about your work and it can really sap morale. |
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There's nothing ordinary about Russell's pace. What he needs is to do is nail the results.
He has always considered himself a proper 'racer' though (isn't Montoya one of his heroes?) and such drvers hardly ever play the percentage game, they will always go for the riskier move. |
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For me Alonso is the one that comes out of this looking bad not Russell. Perhaps Alonso fans would disagree, but I don't see any complaints from Aston Martin. |
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26 Mar 2024, 14:19 (Ref:4202874) | #954 | ||
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I am an Alonso fan but for me a two event ban would have been more appropriate. Before someone gets hurt
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26 Mar 2024, 14:37 (Ref:4202880) | #955 | |
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It was a bad mistake from Alonso, no way would Russell have made that mistake on his own. I think Alonso deserved at least a talking to for that
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To be honest at the time I presumed Alonso was being smart, braking a little early and more than he perhaps needed to, to harvest some additional battery power to use later in the lap and to help counter any slipstream, DRS benefit, or performance advantage George might have had opportunity to use. Brake early at a point where he couldnt be passed, be able to power out of the corner earlier plus benefit later in the lap with more battery power at his disposal.
Having said that I didnt hear any mention post incident of the fact Alonso had / might have braked early for those harvesting reasons. |
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28 Mar 2024, 05:53 (Ref:4203085) | #958 | |
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It's certainly gonna make future incidents like this come under more scrutiny, which is not what we need. We already have enough racing incidents investigated without things like this being investigated too.
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28 Mar 2024, 14:14 (Ref:4203158) | #960 | ||
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I tend to think if two cars are in close proximity and one has a serious crash, there is no reason to not "investigate". Investigations should not be a problem. No investigation would mean only a casual (if any) examination of any facts. Instead, I think you are asking for appropriate punishment which may include no punishment. Richard |
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an assertion that seems to be supported by the data the stewards have provided in their explanation. |
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28 Mar 2024, 19:35 (Ref:4203193) | #963 | |
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If anyone is curious to read the stewards decision, you can find it here...
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...%20driving.pdf Small correction to my comment earlier. Alonso was doing all types of things on entry to that corner, he was lifting, dabbing the brakes, downshifted two gears to 5th and then very quickly back to to 6th, lifting again, then back on it. As even Alonso says whatever he was trying didn't work as it seemed to me a bit spastic if you look at the data traces (posted somewhere online). I like Alonso. Frankly I like him as a driver much more than George. And I also hope all of the Lewis to Ferrari drama results in Alonso getting a better car. Maybe even replacing Lewis at Mercedes. But even as an Alonso fan, I think whatever was going on in that corner was not his best look. Either he was playing games with George in an attempt to slow George and was caught, or he was doing a particularly ungraceful attempt at something different. Richard |
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28 Mar 2024, 20:46 (Ref:4203204) | #964 | ||
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but surely the stewards seemed to think he was doing something...However, did he choose to do something, with whatever intent, that was extraordinary
as to his intent...we can all speculate and all that speculation, even from the stewards, imo seems to be focused around the perception that Alonso is really really good at always doing race car driver stuff! for sure though, him and Sainz are the top 2 free agents for 2025. in a perfect world, one should end up at RB and the other at Merc. Sainz to Merc makes more sense because he's already done the RB thing and with Max, RB have a bit more insulation if Alonso's age becomes a factor in 2025. honestly wish we could just fast forward to next years line ups now! |
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Surely you really don't mean that potentially dangerous and erratic driving shouldn't be penalised? Because, if you have read the Stewards' report, that is what they considered "this incident" to be following the driving of Alonso; this wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, a mere racing incident. |
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29 Mar 2024, 15:08 (Ref:4203307) | #967 | ||
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Recently Allison and Wolff have claimed both tyre temperatures issues (car loses a lot of performance if track temp. goes up) and issues with the low/high speed corner balance shift. It seems only Wolff has mentioned the lack of downforce, Allison doesn't seem to mention it and instead says the team will focus on tyre temperature and balance. |
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29 Mar 2024, 15:11 (Ref:4203308) | #968 | ||
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Including releasing him to Red Bull Racing. Red Bull were keen on his services, but oh well. I think Russell could have contested the 2020 and 2021 WDC had he been prompted to the lead team as promptly as Leclerc or Gasly. (Obviously Gasly was a failure.) |
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Not according to the latest iteration of Joe's blog published yesterday. It seems as though the "incident" didn't go down well with them at all. Possibly that might have something to do with the repair bill that Mercedes will have, based on how much damage caused to the tub plus potential problems arising from the engine and gearbox. |
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29 Mar 2024, 15:41 (Ref:4203313) | #970 | ||
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The stewards, who are charged with knowing more and having access to more than the casual viewer clearly disagreed. Yet I reckon that if you watched onboards, with sound, on Mr Albon’s difficult car for example, the throttle modulation and speedway-almost wiggling of the tail probably wouldn’t be loads different. You do have to ask about Mr Russell about the impact of tunnel vision.. following a car that close that hard for that long would be hard work.. especially if you aren’t catching them… focus is on the car, not the possibility of what could happen… Wasn’t that the same as last year when Mr Russell nicked the fence in Singapore after desperately following Mr Norris all race. Race blindness or something similar… Odd. |
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GTR, if that had actually been the case, why on earth did Alonso tell the Stewards, and tell the media and write in social media, that his actions were intentional but he made a mess of it all. As the Stewards' report made clear, he told them that he intended to slow down early, but then realised that he had so much to soon, so that he then had to dab on the accelerator to correct his mistake.
If he had lost traction as you suggest is possible, he had ample time and opportunity to explain that to the Stewards. And it would have also been a fairly reasonable case, therefore, for the team to actually appeal against the Stewards' decision to penalise him, which may have a bearing on their final results at the end of the season. And that may well cost them money from FOM. |
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Slightly off topic. Will he or won't he? Vettel to Mercedes next season?
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