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8 Mar 2016, 03:50 (Ref:3621104) | #226 | |
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People I feel most sorry for are the fans who spent hard earned money on what transpired. I understand the idea behind the race finishing at news time but they are ripping off the track goers with these timed finishes.
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8 Mar 2016, 06:06 (Ref:3621119) | #227 | ||
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Not posted in here before but a comment that 'it will never happen again' misses the point. If it happened once, it could happen again.
Taken to the extremes, either the race runs for the full duration or it doesn't. If it doesn't and the race had to be declared before any car managed the 140 litre fuel drop, then what? Penalise everyone 30 seconds? Cricket has a methodology when an innings is affected by rain so surely, a simple calculation could have been worked out in advance, as rain is always a possibility. I must admit, I wasn't concentrating 100% and fast forwarded through much of it, but it seemed odd that the Volvo was taking a stop (fuel or problems?) when the cars were on the last lap, so when did they actually announce that it would be 49 laps? I missed that, so I apologise if I missed what you all know. |
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8 Mar 2016, 06:10 (Ref:3621120) | #228 | |
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An objective view of the fans interest in a race meeting is the number of views on Natsoft Race Results for that meeting.
In respect of this annual Clipsal meeting the views are falling rapidly": 2013....92,000 2014....87,000 2015....81,000 2016....73,000 I know figures can be interpreted in many ways, but I think these figures show a clear trend, down, down, down |
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8 Mar 2016, 06:32 (Ref:3621123) | #229 | |
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Not sure what to take from the natsoft numbers but I know it's not very popular with the younger demographic - the emergence of speedcafe, Facebook, Twitter etc has certainly taken views from natsoft
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8 Mar 2016, 07:02 (Ref:3621130) | #230 | ||
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But.... It could've been managed, by not running it so god damn late that it becomes time certain. Do that, and all the other issues from that race disappear. Yes? No? |
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8 Mar 2016, 07:15 (Ref:3621133) | #231 | ||
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The issue is having time certain races, no matter when they start, I don't like them, far from ideal, funnily enough a few months back the posters on here were raving about a time certain race. Then laps didnt matter, can be ten hour of red, 1 hour of yellow and 1 hour of racing and the fans would be happy with the finish time |
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8 Mar 2016, 07:22 (Ref:3621138) | #232 | ||
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Totally different type of race Pecky, and you know it. Also, none of the 12 hour fans would be happy with the scenario you just made up. If a race is meant to be 78 laps, it should run for 78 laps, yes? From what I understand, neither of the channels in Oz had news they have to cut to, and here in NZ, the entire weekend was broadcast live on its own dedicated channel, so why did it need to be time certain? Time certainty, when the race is not a timed race, is short changing the fans who pay good money to watch the "premier" category of motorsport in our neck of the woods. |
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Plenty of sports attempt to equalise the competition eg the draft in the AFL. But few if any try to equalise once the game begins. |
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If the fuel drop is so critical to the outcome of the race why is the data inaccessible to TV commentators, spectators and TV viewers? Which other sport hides away such vital information? Sorry we can't bring you the crickey scores today - the teams keep it a secret and will only be revealed, maybe, at the conclusion of this test match. If we have to continue with this rule then for goodness sake let us know what the score is. |
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8 Mar 2016, 11:25 (Ref:3621174) | #235 | |
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Neil Crompton gave us the answer on Inside Supercars tonight. The differences that were there in 2013 are no longer there, the engines are all quite close, the rule should be abolished
You heap s*** on the GT Championship for their artificial pitstop rules, yet defend V8Supercars who are effectively doing the same thing when it comes to pitlane, they artificially manipulate the pitstops so nobody gets upset. |
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8 Mar 2016, 11:52 (Ref:3621180) | #236 | ||
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so you cant see the difference between making cars equal (like both V8s and gT3 do) and making drivers equal (which only the gT3 do)? |
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8 Mar 2016, 14:20 (Ref:3621218) | #237 | ||
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Time certain races are dumb.
They all should be done the Bathurst way, it's gonna run x amount of laps regardless of how long it takes. Either make the races times or to laps, not switching between the two in the middle of it. |
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8 Mar 2016, 19:27 (Ref:3621289) | #238 | |
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If the engine's in regards to fuel efficiency are close (as Crompo has confirmed) then abolish the fuel drop regulation.
It was needed, now it's not. You should have the smallest amount of rules you can get away with |
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8 Mar 2016, 20:21 (Ref:3621310) | #239 | ||
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AGT have a timed CPS time which certainly dictates the outcome of the races, no doubt about that. V8SC have a CPS (or more), but the faster & more strategic you can be, the faster you can go. Forget about what happened at the weekend, but I mean a mistake in a V8SC stop can significantly hinder a competitor, whereas there are rarely mistakes in AGT as the pressure simply isn't there. I think that a pro-rata system for the V8SC fuel would be an easy solve of the problem, but totally agree that time certain races are hugely disappointing for everyone (except LDM in this case). |
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9 Mar 2016, 04:26 (Ref:3621418) | #240 | |
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why can't V8s start later in the day and go twilight / night for Superevents of the Supercar season. It worked for TV audiences but I still think it should happened this year or 2017.
What struck me, how can any be classified as they all should be DNFs or no points awarded what so ever. It goes to show they were making up as they go on the Sunday. Was Mark Dutton spot on when he said the race hadn't started until lap 6 which was when actual racing got under the way |
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9 Mar 2016, 04:34 (Ref:3621420) | #241 | ||
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And no Dutto was in error when he said the race didnt start until lap 6, they had made an incorrect assumption |
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9 Mar 2016, 05:33 (Ref:3621427) | #242 | ||
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9 Mar 2016, 06:34 (Ref:3621431) | #243 | ||
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D13.2.1.3 the last bit as quoted says distance covered by the winner The winner did 48 laps, so to be a classified a finisher you had to complete 36 laps. That is not the rule you are looking for What you are looking for is rule D15.4.4 and D15.4.5 which refer to the 50 percent of the scheduled race distance/duration |
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9 Mar 2016, 07:16 (Ref:3621441) | #244 | ||
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Mr Warburton was keen on them and they tried twilight races at Homebush in 2013 and Adelaide in 2014, but haven't been repeated since. Presumebly if they were deemed a success this format would have continued? |
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9 Mar 2016, 08:03 (Ref:3621450) | #245 | |
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Actual night racing would probably work though.
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9 Mar 2016, 08:49 (Ref:3621467) | #246 | ||
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Don't like the 140 litre rule, but as other here have said it was the rule and I'm surprised it caught so many out.
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10 Mar 2016, 02:41 (Ref:3621749) | #247 | |
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I still don't understand the penalty for not putting the 140L in.
Apparently it can be either 30 seconds or 60 seconds depending on the circuit. Why that should matter I don't understand. If it was in the sup regs for Adelaide as 30 seconds why was it hours later changed to 60 seconds? |
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10 Mar 2016, 02:51 (Ref:3621754) | #248 | ||
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Chaz turns a driver around, 15 point penalty. SVG takes out the leader (to the benefit of his team mate) no penalty |
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10 Mar 2016, 04:58 (Ref:3621766) | #249 | ||
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Prodrive pushes for Adelaide safety changes
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I know this won't be popular but the solution is to cease penalising for contact and leave it the drivers hands. Short term expect carnage. Long term, once the teams suffer on-going cost of repairs and drivers realise that if you treat someone fairy they'll treat you that way too. Remember NASCAR has few penalties for on track indiscretions (except if you are Matt Kenseth) and the amount of blatant bumping to pass is less than the myth around it might have you believe. But to repeat, short term it would be carnage. The cure at the moment is worse than the disease. |
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