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This is old news in Germany .
Anyway, I wonder why Mercedes doesn't just sell two of their cars to private teams (that can afford them). This way, they'd only pay for six cars, yet we'd still have eight Mercedes on the grid. For an added bonus, we'd have privateers that deserve that name again. |
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The question is: Are there privateers that are willing and (financially) able to race in DTM?
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30 Sep 2014, 18:28 (Ref:3458960) | #305 | |
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What does a) a DTM car cost b) what's the budget for a season?
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I seem to remember something around 750k budget for the season (not including any development work) for the previous generation of cars... new gen was intended to be cheaper, but who knows if that actually worked out.
GT-Masters and Euro-F3 are actually not much cheaper, though in GTs you can of course split the budget or hire an ace co-driver to make yourelf look good. Car price is the production cost plus however much of their development budget the manufacturers want to dump on their potential clients... so that could vary greatly . Last edited by Speed-King; 30 Sep 2014 at 19:11. |
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I once heard that the current DTM cars were supposed to be 40% cheaper than the previous generation. Well, 40% of 750k would be 450k then, which I think is on the same level as what single-seaters like FR3.5 or even IndyCar cost. Then again, all manufacturers continued to develop their cars, so I guess that costs have risen again. |
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1 Oct 2014, 09:17 (Ref:3459126) | #308 | |
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BTW, since DTM and Super GT have manufacturers constantly developing their silhouette cars, I wonder if the former spends more money on improving their touring cars than the latter?
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DTM actually is under a development freeze this year. Cars had to be homologated by the third round or so... Mercedes got a bit more time since they were very much uncompetitive back then, but in general there isn't the kind of in-season development that we see in Super GT.
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Okay, but what about the cost of running DTM cars? I hope it's not like Formula One...
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The Argentina Super TC2000 has a full grid. Those aren't cheap, like US$ 1 million per entry per season.
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A million dollars to run a DTM car? No wonder the privateers are scared at running it.
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Anyway, last DTM weekend of the year at Hockenheim. Molina is on pole, Ekström 2nd and Mortara is 3rd. Other than that, it's just the same old, same old. Hardly any news about 2015 have surfaced. No schedule, no rule changes no new drivers...it'll be a long off-season |
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Petrov managed to finish in all races...without points :P
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From this season, I really believe the Audi camp should drop Molina and Tambay for better young talents. Poor performance from such a competitive car all the season.
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Althought he might have been classified, he definitely did not finish today...
BTW, I don't'understand why anybody would drive the soft tyres first, you are always f#cked if you get a safetycar exept for the small part of the race between the opening of the pit-window and the half-waypoint. |
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Most of the winners this year have started on the softs. Better to make passes when cars are bunched up at the start and pull away early, than have to fight through traffic later.
Also, that's a hilarious penalty Spengler got. Is that what they actually have written in the DTM rules? |
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accordint to touringcartimes option tyres shold be eliminated. imho its a good idea.
honestly i also would like to see two races of 90/100 km each one rather than one only race of 190 km!! in this way there would be more show and the fight for the championship could be more interesting. |
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So would that mean that Pastor Maldonado would have to go to jail one day, for his F1 shenanigans? However, I wouldn't necessarily put the blame on the DTM, but rather on the FIA, whose rules they were following. But it's obviously rubbish.
It would have made for a great BILD headline, though. After all, any publicity... |
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Not going to happen sadly because it won't fit the packaged television format. Not to mention DTM's desperate attempts to mimic F1 (even down to having dull races every week this season) and having two races just wouldn't fit with that.
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You couldn't possibly call Hockenheim dull though
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