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If you base everything off of Wikipedia, the standings make sense. Everyone competing to the TCT points regulations and TCR cars competing within their own sub-category to TCR points regulations. But there's no proof that they are even the correct regulations, so who knows truthfully..and why a badge should have any interference on what a car is or isn't is beyond me - it's a TCR car, SEAT or Cupra. TCR Australia is what this series could have been, had it been sorted from the very beginning. Stewart Lines' attempts, even if they could have worked, are far too late to salvage TCR as its own series. |
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9 Jul 2019, 17:57 (Ref:3916715) | #477 | |||
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We also simultaneously have the Not Got A Bloody Clue What Is Going On Championship to which most of us are in good points paying positions. Lets not forget the Taking the Mickey But Less So Than TCRUK Championship sponsored by Stewart Lines. BTCC Bloke has a number of podiums whilst I'm too confused to know which championship I'm in. And lest not forget The Long Since Given Up On This Rubbish and Gone To Watch Cars Going Round the Roundabout Outside Tescos Instead Championship. Currently Mr Magoo is winning as he can't find the exit... |
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9 Jul 2019, 17:59 (Ref:3916716) | #478 | ||
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Newsflash: Mr Magoo disqualified as the Honda badge has fallen off the back of his Honda. So he's now in pole position for the Something Else or Other Championship.
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9 Jul 2019, 18:47 (Ref:3916725) | #479 | ||
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“Organisers” ? Bit strong isn’t it?...
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9 Jul 2019, 19:29 (Ref:3916735) | #480 | ||
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This is something I struggle with -I know running the cars costs money, but this guy has been in BTCC as a driver and running a team for 2/3 years, he was one of the few who ran a whole season in TCR UK, he knows the fanbase yet he doesnt seem to have made enough contacts and mates over the last 4 or 5 years to get any interest from them to give any indication there is the commitment to be running this properly. |
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9 Jul 2019, 21:54 (Ref:3916755) | #481 | |||
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The set on the BRSCC have been approved by MSUK so are seemingly the most relevant. The relatively interesting thing is that it has been given a MSUK series number. This means that the TCT competitors are contesting a collection of races run to the same rulebook, with no cumulative scoring. This explains the 'N/A' for scoring. TCR UK is, for whatever reason, a championship. Therefore there is scoring from race to race as set out in the regulations. I've no idea how the Wikipedia tables have been derived but, as far as TCT goes, it's not particularly relevant. |
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9 Jul 2019, 23:23 (Ref:3916765) | #483 | |
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If TCR UK are still running as a championship then there must be a separate set of regs with a separate MSA approval number. If that's the case then both permit numbers should be listed in the programme, assuming anyone here has one to check.
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10 Jul 2019, 06:16 (Ref:3916780) | #485 | |||
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https://brscc.co.uk/wp-content/uploa...hed-Copy-2.pdf
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The TCR UK official website is practically derelict too... Last edited by Alessio; 10 Jul 2019 at 06:24. |
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10 Jul 2019, 06:37 (Ref:3916782) | #486 | |
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Just had a thought around the TCT points missing in the released regs - doesn't a series have to have been run for a number of years before being awarded championship status by the MSA/MSUK?
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10 Jul 2019, 08:05 (Ref:3916789) | #487 | |
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Who knows what would have happened if Gow was in charge. TBH I think even he would find this series a struggle to get right
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Clio Cup isnt "Clio Cup Championship" but you still need to get points to win the prizes Last edited by btccbloke; 10 Jul 2019 at 08:59. |
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10 Jul 2019, 09:01 (Ref:3916800) | #489 | ||
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Like I said before I am amazed Stewart hasn't got enough friends and contacts over 3 seasons in BTCC and a season in TCR (+ his previous racing) to get some more cars, well known drivers, or sponsors out there now and again to boost the series a little. He knows the target audience, I'm sure if he managed to get the likes of Rob Austin (come on they want to develop the Alfa), Dan Welch, Mat Jackson or other fan favorites no longer in the other series to turn out even for 1 off events people would sit up and want to watch it. The question for me is why hasnt he gone this route, drivers people know attracts people, random drivers that the general armchair viewer has never heard of running round in confusing classes with no idea if they are competing to win anything doesn't. Last edited by btccbloke; 10 Jul 2019 at 09:09. |
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10 Jul 2019, 09:05 (Ref:3916801) | #490 | ||
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He won race 2 at Oulton, both races at Donington, and he won race 1 at Croft. Alex Day and Richard Woods have one win each, putting them joint second. If Neal wins either race at Brands Hatch, then the Trophy is his. |
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A series (again irrespective of what it is called - the Formula Ford Champion of Brands has multiple races, but is not a championship) is a set of races run to the same rule book with each race being stand alone. Therefore, whilst TCT can give a prize to the 'most meritorious driver of 2019' (or somesuch), who might have happened to have won the most races - they would not be able to describe the driver as the TCT Champion/Winner of 2019. |
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10 Jul 2019, 09:47 (Ref:3916805) | #492 | ||
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BzpvLpEA...=1an8iwco0svyr
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10 Jul 2019, 11:28 (Ref:3916821) | #493 | |
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I think you'll find that Neal is joint leader. I have the same number of championship points as he does.
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10 Jul 2019, 13:33 (Ref:3916842) | #495 | ||
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It was in 2005 we were down to a dozen cars, which coming off a great season in 04 was a bit of a shock. But by the end of 06 it was the highest it had been since the 90s |
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this was the grid at start of 2005 .... and the small privateers were seconds off the pace
3 Astra Sports Hatch 3 SEAT Toledo 2 Integra 1 Civic 1 MG 1 Lexus 1 Astra Coupe TOTAL 12 but due to very slow rear enders it was more a 9-10 car race and that's it Last edited by porsche962fan; 10 Jul 2019 at 14:37. |
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10 Jul 2019, 17:53 (Ref:3916895) | #498 | |
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so since we were told this isnt confusing what have we learned....
1. We dont know if the regulations on the website are correct 2. We dont know if there are points awarded for TCT or how they are allocated 3. The main promoter (TCR UK) is an unreliable source of information 4. The Wikipedia page championship table appears to be nothing more than someones fantasy league 5. Henry Neal believes he is leading a championship that may or may not exist 6. All cars carry TCR UK logos regardless of their class and we are not sure why which makes identifying the cars confusing 7. 3 weeks on we still arent sure why Max Coates wins were not classed as TCR UK wins in a TCR car 8. We dont know what drivers (if any) will be at Brands, what they will drive, what class they will be in or what they might win Sorry but nobody can honestly say the series is straight forward to get into Oh also.... The Spa round seems to have disappeared? |
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10 Jul 2019, 19:52 (Ref:3916917) | #499 | |
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Don't worry. TCR Guru has put out a social media post calling for more teams and drivers to enter the Brands Hatch round, so the series is saved.
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10 Jul 2019, 19:54 (Ref:3916918) | #500 | ||
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Ahh ok i found it, looks like only Lewis Kent went! But I saw on the site: https://www.maximummotorsport.uk/touring-car-trophy Quote:
So there ARE points counting towards the TCT "Championship"? so is Neal or Turkington leading it on wins or points now? :-/ |
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