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hmmm quite particular days, in two days ByKolles appear doing testing at Hungaroring, Ginetta announces that they sold three chassis, then the SMP Dallara is "discovered" and at the same time Peugeot says no to Le Mans.
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This is about the time of year that programs need to get cars on track to reliably be able to get everything in order for the subsequent season. Although there have been some surprise exceptions on occasion(the Nissan DPi springs to mind rather quickly - didn't hit the track until late November), the majority of programs that haven't had a car on track sometime in the time period late September through mid-October won't be ready for the start of the subsequent season(if they show up at all that year), and as AoB noted now's the time that many manufacturers make decision about programs for subsequent seasons as well. Put simply, it's all happening because this is everyone's target time period. We could still hear about a Toyota withdrawal soon, but this isn't happening to soften it's blow. |
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Yes, we are at the point of not return for a car to make it in time for the first race.
2018 will be a particular year, maybe we will see some late entrances at the end of the year (or maybe for the 1st Le Mans race). Last edited by Adam43; 5 Oct 2017 at 05:44. Reason: Copy of post from BR1 thread. More general topic points. |
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The information out there is Toyota's staying. They just want to have the private teams on par with them in terms of pace.
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5 Oct 2017, 08:16 (Ref:3771997) | #581 | ||
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Then either the LMP1 privateers will have to be massively sped up, or Toyota slowed down, or both. Even if they give LMP1 privateers nearly unlimited fuel flow, I can't see how they'd have the speed and reliability to stick with Toyota, especially in the sprint races. Even when Toyota had their horrible 2015 season, they were still miles ahead of any privateer team.
Every time privateer teams have gone up against factory teams, they've rarely been able to compete head to head. Even back in the days of the Champion vs Dyson days when the Audi R8 was near the end of its competitive life, Dyson rarely won against Champion, even though Champion were considered a privateer team by IMSA. Usually Dyson had the speed to compete, but usually hand grenaded engines, broke electronic stuff, problems that the R8 either never or almost never had. I'd have to believe that the R8 being developed by a car maker vs Dyson's off the shelf Lola B160s had something to do with that, as well as the Dyson team's hot-rodder tendencies. |
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Well this has come at a crucial time. After Porsche dropped out, now Ginetta and BR are coming in, it means LMP1 can continue for some time hopefully
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The release also didn't clarify which way things would go, but the smart move would be to give a little more to the non-hybrids and dial back the hybrids to meet somewhere in the middle. It's the fairest all around, and doesn't add TOO much of an additional financial burden to the privateers, and I frankly don't think you need to do TOO much to the P1-Ls to get them halfway up to P1-H pace. Sure, the P1-L pole at Le Mans was 10 seconds slower than the P1-H pole(and 6 seconds off the slowest P1-H), but we ARE talking about ByKolles, so I wouldn't exactly consider that representative of what a P1-L can do. |
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5 Oct 2017, 13:01 (Ref:3772069) | #584 | |
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kolles marked 3.24, and was a car pushed only by a brutal powerful engine basically, without any real aero development.
A better aero developed lmp1, pushed by a >700hp engine would mark quite easily 3.21 I guess. Now, how to slow down toyota by about 6 seconds? give >950kg, cut ERS to 4MJ, no more cofidential michelin tyres and decrease fuel flow a bit more. Could be enough? |
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To make it fair with the private teams, Toyota should use a non hybrid car this season. That would make more legitim a victory. The problem is time to put a car together in the specification.
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5 Oct 2017, 13:53 (Ref:3772086) | #587 | ||
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Toyota would drop out straight away if that was the case, they have already said Hybrids must stay if they are to continue, cause that is the tech they want to display.
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Yes I know what's their interest, but this season could be taken as exception because the lack of direct competition, that's the point I was talking about making a possible victory more credible.
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And that's my estimation with no changes to the regs. Give the P1-Ls a little less weight and some more power I could see an additional couple seconds knocked off the Le Mans lap time, so you may only need to slow the Toyotas by 3 or 4 seconds - maybe only two. |
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And they'd be cruising past the Toyotas on the straight.......
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Toyota's whole reason for being in P1 in the first place is promotion of their hybrid technology.
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The Kolles had potential to do a 3:21 at LeMans this year but never got a clean lap. At the beginning of the race, they passed the #9 Toyota at the start and were legitimately the fastest car in the speed traps race weekend (340.2kmh). But they had only a few months with the new Nismo engine and updated aerodynamics. The new rules will give the non-hybrid cars even more power (around 800hp) and the weight is supposed to be 830kg vs. Toyota's 878kg with ~600hp + hybrid.
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I think coasting of LMP1-H is a dangerous thing when you try to speed up the competition, we have seen this already last year when LMP2s were quicker.
Solution to this problem is rather simple, just give LMP1-H a little more fuel energy per lap or reduce fuel flow and keep energy per lap as it is. |
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How is that? They're racing engines. They're supposed to run high power for long periods of time, right? You think back to when Aston Martin ran their V12 in the Lola, that was a decade ago and they were capable of doing 3:25's. So I think the rules put in place could see those speeds easily reached. Lmp2's right now aren't far off of that and they weigh 70kg more than what lmp1 non-hybrid is supposed to.
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14 Oct 2017, 00:30 (Ref:3774094) | #596 | |
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Where is the FUJI weekend thread??
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15 Oct 2017, 01:47 (Ref:3774242) | #597 | ||
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DSC mentioning a coming announcement for a new GTE effort for next year
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Do you suppose means a new brand, or just team news? Maybe a new Porsche privateer team?
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Is BMW's operating team public yet?
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MTEK, moving from DTM. http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/le-...te-pro-in-2018
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