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http://www.motorsport.com/wtcc/news/wtcc-targets-major-cost-reduction-programme-for-2017-692191/ But the independent/privateers team are looking for a better way to race to a lower cost than FIA are talking about. The choice is TCN2/TCR as a second class in the WTCC. Look whats happning in TCR Macau 2016 race a lot of new cars from CTCC (China Touring Car Championship). Totally 35 cars on the grid. Small modifications in the rules makes a new future. http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/10/06/35-car-macau-entry-list-of-ctcc-and-tcr-cars-released/ |
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Haven't seen this posted here, Lestrup rumored to field a Golf for a young driver in 2017.
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19 Oct 2016, 15:13 (Ref:3681394) | #61 | |
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Not driving. He runs an Endurance team in Sweden that will also run the Golf for Warnelow in STCC next year.
Likely looking at: 3 SEAT from PWR 1 Golf from Warnelow driven by Warnelow and run by Lestrup Racing 2 Seat from Finnish LMS pending schedule conflicts with German TCR Shaky rumors: 3 additional Seat from PWR 1 Opel from Nika Racing Last edited by Lando; 19 Oct 2016 at 15:18. |
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I wish all the best to STCC Finnish adventure but I'm a bit skeptic.
Most Finns are only aware of F1 and WRC... and some more limited audience also knows about national rallying and maybe even Rallycross... but in general, Finns are not interested in motor sports at all. So, it will be hard to make a Finnish round of STCC (witch is completely unknown here) profitable. As said, I still wish all the best for the project, but I'm sure this will be the first and only STCC round ever in Finland. |
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Maybe some well thought out promotion work can help but that hasn't really been the strong suit of the STCC organisation in the past. |
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Maybe in future there will be race at Arctic Circle Raceway.
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I'd really like to see a race at Ahvenisto.
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25 Oct 2016, 13:18 (Ref:3682740) | #67 | |
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Volvo, BMW STCC 2017?
STCC AB CEO J. Lundin wants Cyan Racing (Volvo Cars/Polestar motorsport partner) to take part in STCC TCR Scandinavia 2017. STCC AB also wants West Coast racing to bring back BMW dealer team Sweden to STCC TCR Scandinavia 2017.
But the rules by promotor World Sporting Consulting, LTD don´t allow factory teams, and rear wheel drive cars to take part. This is one of the terms in the franchise agreement. FIA art. 263 TCN2 rules allows factory teams and rear wheel cars. These two car brands (Volvo and BMW) are cars that have taken a major in STCC heritage. This two car brands have bring about 8 cars to the STCC starting filed every year. |
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Ralle, I don't know how you can be so confident of TCN2 regulations and what they do and do not permit as I cannot find the TCN2 technical regulations published anywhere. Also, how do you have personal knowledge of the contents of the franchise agreement?
I can however find the TCR technical regulations which specify what cars are eligible: Quote:
As you can see, any car differing from the eligibility criteria may nevertheless be allowed at the discretion of WSC, one example of this being the Peugeot 308 Racing Cup TCR, which with an engine displacement of 1598cm³ does not fit the above criteria. Arguably the criteria do not even specify that rear-wheel drive cars are not allowed, just that only front-wheel-driver cars are on the list of eligible cars. Nothing is holding back BMW from building a TCR car, besides the discretion of WSC, and it seems inconceivable that WSC would not certify a suitably balanced 125i because it would Finally, while the TCR regulations require certified cars to be available for purchase to third parties, thus prohibiting manufacturers from limiting the supply of cars to only the teams of their choosing, I could not find any regulation specifically prohibiting manufacturer-associated teams from competing. Indeed in ADAC TCR Germany a Honda-backed team has already competed in every round and has managed to take 2nd in the teams championship and 3rd and 11th in the drivers championship, far from not being allowed. Cyan racing is of course independent from Volvo though associating voluntarily and should have no trouble competing in any TCR series. Also, Volvo should be able to convert its S60 into a TCR car according to the exact criteria specified above. In other words, you're wrong. |
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Not only wrong, but also starting to get annoying with the whole TCN2 whining. You've made your point and nobody is interested, so get over it.
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Yep let the TCN2 talk behind us now.
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@Quintin Honda ADAC is not an official team, it has a bit of support from Honda Germany (or Honda Sachsen, I don't remember very well) but it's formally Fugel Motorsport.
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25 Oct 2016, 18:37 (Ref:3682814) | #72 | |
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Dealer team
Rules by promotor World Sporting Consulting, LTD; Factory-backed teams are not allowed in the TCR. The manufacturers offer their vehicles to the customers but are not involved in the action on the track.
Are a Dealer team a factory backed team? Team PWR racing in STCC are Seat Dealer team Sweden? http://pwrracingteam.com/ |
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Everything change´s
2015; The TCR Series – a Concept of the Time http://www.opel-motorsport.com/en/rundstrecke/opel-astra-tcr/news/article/news/detail/News/the-tcr-series-a-concept-of-the-time/
Tuner team like TCR Team FRD Motorsport (Ford Focus TCR), TCR Team Top RUN Motorsport (Subaru WRX TCR) build their own racing cars and are involved in the action on track and race. TCR Team Kisslinger Motorsport a partner to Opel Motorsport; "The competition version of the new Astra K TCR generation has been developed in association with Opel’s long-term technical partner, Kissling Motorsport“ http://www.opel-motorsport.com/en/rundstrecke/opel-astra-tcr/the-vehicle/ TCR Team Kisslinger are involved in the action on the track and race! The promoptor World Sporting Consulting LTD philosophy 2015 ; Factory-backed teams are not allowed in the TCR. The manufacturers offer their vehicles to the customers but are not involved in the action on the track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory-backed |
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Also, I still want to see where you seem to be getting your information on TCN2 regulations and TCR franchise agreements, seeing as I cannot find these published. You seem to know everything, so don't ask me what sort of teams can and cannot participate in STCC under TCR regulations. As far as I can tell, TCN2 regulations are exactly identical to TCR. Adopting TCN2 over TCR won't result in more manufacturers taking part because the manufacturer will have to build cars to the exact same regulations. Nationally homologated cars are already allowed under TCR regulations as shown by the Citroën C3 Max in the Italian Touring Car Championship's TCR class and the Renault Mégane RS in the TCR Russian Series. Moving to TCN2 regulations as opposed to TCR would do nothing but sever ties with TCR championships in surrounding countries. |
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