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Macdaddy, I have never really seen the hype that has gone into the Indy 500. I have been a Cart fan for a very long time and I do like the occasional oval { 2 or 3 a season would be fine } but the Indy 500 has always been a bit much for me. 5 hours of left turns has never appealed to me. I have always liked the street and road courses much more.
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Shouldn't that be: some people who stayed after the split are now leaving... ? [/QUOTE] No. He was talking about it from an Indy 500 perspective. |
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Hmmm, that's an interesting article. Obviously it doesn't contain any new info, but it says something about Penske.
Why doesn't it say "Some of the people who left after the I.R.L.-CART split are only migrating back now like Team Penske." He makes it sound like he was always Indy's top supporter. Later he does admit that he wasn't at Indy, but doesn't say why. "...Bobby Rahal, who was a critic of Tony George before the split, was a positive step." Was it a positive step when Ganassi showed up and won Indy (while still in CART) or when Penske came back (while still in CART) and won? "...Ask a Formula One driver, or an Indy-car driver or, yes, even a Nascar driver — which race he or she would most like to win, I'd bet he or she would say the Indy 500." MS has said that Indy would be a step down for him... I can see why there's concern over Penske, I take what he said there as more of a threat than a positive step. |
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I think there will always be disagreement over the "ideal" schedule - obviously every fan has a preference: some for street and/or road course, some for the bullring ovals and others for Indy/ Superspeedways. Whatever happens, a unified series will be more diverse than either of the current series as one has only one oval and the other no road courses at this time.
I agree Roger may not be in a position to start his own series, but his ability to get things done makes the threat of starting something a possibility that TG and the Amigos must consider. |
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Agreed.
You have two polarised series just now. It needs someone with vision to bang some heads together and make IndyCar racing great again. While we fans watch all the races, the general public are not interested in either series to any great degree. United we stand - divided we fall. |
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A *lot* of folks, myself included, would like to see one series, but the racing has been great in both series recently. No question. So I'm just going to enjoy the individual events until they get it together or one of the series folds (AGAIN)....If OWRS is continuing to have problems then there will be all kinds of trailer talk as teams try to figure out whether to run in IRL, do something else or pack it in. |
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Lets hope that comes to fruition.
End the pettiness. It's the only way forward. |
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Penske opposed the orginal split from USAC, but he was the biggest force in CART's success, now he wants it back together...really PENSKE and Toyota and all of us will only benefit- penske is about making money and legend, not so much egomania like George...lsiten to the man for crying out loud
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<quote>As fans, let us all hope that as ambassador of open-wheel racing Good Will, Penske can convince Tony George to listen and work toward a common goal.</quote>
That says it all right there. This article makes it sound like Penske is working on something that would truly be fair. I have no doubt that the Champ Car troika would consider such a move, but it's the wild card of TG that I have no confidence in. |
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I want this to work too, but if you guys think that Penske is doing this for open wheel racing fans and not himself, then your way off base! The big question is, "what's in this deal for Roger Penske" ???
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What's in it for Penske is that he'd have a team in a potentially good and popular series, rather than one of two series which fewer people are interested in all the time.
Without a REunification, Champ Car and Indy Car will die. |
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This man make NO move unless it benifits HIM. There is nothing on the planet I want more than to see our series back together, but it isn't going to happen unless some miracle occures, Tony G steps down and sells Indy. I don't see it happening. The big problem is no one can seem to get the point that there is money and profit for ALL if they could only put down thier darn EGOS for 10 minutes. But they can't, because they are all former drivers. As a fan and media, it's frustrating a all heck, let me tell you. I'm am so sick of this. Truly, truly sick of it. |
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Ok. We have a potential breakthrough, and already we have demands for apologies and assorted rash generalizations.
First, it would be unreasonable to expect that Penske or any owner in either Series would do something that would NOT benefit them. So to cast aspersions on the end result simply because Penske might have some long term goals for his business is just plain unrealistic. No owner will make money or be able to field a team if both Series are run so far into the ground that no one cares to spend sponsor $$ there any longer. Second, the fact that Penske is meeting with OWRS ownership tells you immediately that TG is at least aware of it, if not supportive. That would not exactly make him a "wild card." Third, let's check the facts: not all of the owners are former drivers. Are there egos involved? Yes. But when I took journalism I was taught that if you could not prove a statement you should not use it. There are owners who were drivers (or in Vasser's case, are) and a number who never were drivers. Fourth, see point #1. Again, everyone is in this to further his/her own agenda. The interview of Dave Despain in "Grassroots Motorsports" this month was dead on: Open wheel owners, particularly CART were way more concerned with making off with the pie for themselves rather than trying to figure out how to make the pie bigger, a la NASCAR (no pun intended). Fifth, I think we as fans need to check some of our expectations at the door and instead of holding our breath for some owner to apologize for something that we think they did wrong we ought to get behind the movement to unite. Whatever the reasons, whatever the motivations and whoever benefits financially, a proper merger is only going to make for better, more exciting racing for us to watch and talk about. I for one can't wait. Last edited by JohnSSC; 24 Jun 2004 at 02:39. |
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Well, they (OWRS/IRL) better do something. OW racing in the US is pathetic at the moment. Reconcile differences or die.
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TG started this all by taking his ball and going home. Why anyone questions us despising him, I do not understand. And now it took what, 10 years for the other half to implode? You can not reason with a man that refuses to admit what he did was wrong. Forget Tony George. And enjoy the few races Champ Car have left. |
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I think we should keep all the unification stuff to one thread , that way everything is packaged in a nice neat bundle and there is no confusion.
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