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#2 Pye/Luff WAU Mobil1 Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#3 Jacobson/Fiore KR Rabble Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#5 Holdsworth/Randle Tickford Bottle O Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Waters/Caruso Tickford Monster Energy Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#7 Heimgartner/Fullwood KR Plus Fitness Nissan | 1 | 1.89% | |
#8 Percat/Blanchard BJR BJR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus Penrite Holden | 5 | 9.43% | |
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP Shell Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR Freightliner Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#15 Kelly/Wood KR Castrol Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP Shell Ford | 12 | 22.64% | |
#18 Winterbottom/Richards Team18 Irwin Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#19 LeBrocq/Webb Tekno Truck Assist Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#21 Jones/Canto BJR CoolDrive Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#22 Courtney/Perkins WAU Mobil1 Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#23 Davison/Davison 23Red Milwaulkee Ford | 1 | 1.89% | |
#27 Hinchcliffe/Rossi WAU Napa Auto Parts Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#33 Stanaway/Pither GRM Boost Mobile Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#34 Golding/Muscat GRM Boost Mobile Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#35 Hazelwood/Smith MSR SP Tools Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#55 Mostert/Moffat Tickford SuperCheap Auto Ford | 2 | 3.77% | |
#56 Kostecki/Kostecki KBR Boost Mobile Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#78 de Silvestro/Rullo KR Harvey Norman Nissan | 1 | 1.89% | |
#97 Van Gisbergen/Tander RBHRT Red Bull Holden | 14 | 26.42% | |
#99 de Pasquale/Brown Erebus Penrite Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#111 Evans/Van Der Drift TKR TKR Holden (SCRATCHED) | 2 | 3.77% | |
#888 Whincup/Lowndes RBHRT Red Bull Holden | 10 | 18.87% | |
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20 Oct 2019, 20:05 (Ref:3935931) | #751 | |
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20 Oct 2019, 21:07 (Ref:3935944) | #752 | |||
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The safety cars is purely an entertainment device and any relation to correct and proper SAFETY procedures is purely coincidental. |
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20 Oct 2019, 21:34 (Ref:3935952) | #753 | |||
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Would have been nice to have a NASCAR style green-white-checkered finished and see atleast 3 laps of them going for it.... |
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20 Oct 2019, 22:15 (Ref:3935954) | #754 | |||
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It cost 888 nothing then!!! They got a bargain by comparison!!! Penalty was fair enough. |
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20 Oct 2019, 22:43 (Ref:3935956) | #755 | ||
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It would seem DJRTP only really went wrong by extending the 20 second generally-accepted 'buffer' out to 47 seconds. |
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20 Oct 2019, 23:39 (Ref:3935960) | #756 | ||
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Has anyone in the series ever been done for unfair and unsporting conduct, or have they set a new low? |
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21 Oct 2019, 00:11 (Ref:3935965) | #757 | |
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New low - because once again, they have gone over and above to exploit ambiguities in the rules.
First it was the way in which the Mustang was designed and homologated, and now this. |
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21 Oct 2019, 00:58 (Ref:3935970) | #758 | ||
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Not his second-fastest, but pretty quick still and Whincup's sector 2 was actually faster. Both of them set their second-fastest in laps all day so I dare say a penalty for not obeying yellow/SC flags would be hard to argue against, if the established SC practice in the series wasn't such a joke (eg no penalty issued for crashing under SC in the past).
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21 Oct 2019, 01:04 (Ref:3935971) | #759 | |
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Rubbish, the Mustang was approved and signed off as legal, as far as the race is concerned the best car/driver/team won on the day and it would have been an injustice for that not to occur.
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21 Oct 2019, 01:40 (Ref:3935973) | #760 | ||
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The homologation process itself has always being a backyard job at best, yet Supercars faithful were more than happy to defend it. Now it's somehow Penske's fault??? !!!THE HORROR!!! |
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21 Oct 2019, 02:00 (Ref:3935974) | #761 | ||
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have you watched the video on how the Mustang was developed and who was involved in the process once the car was designed, obviously not or you wouldn't make such a stupid statement.
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21 Oct 2019, 02:02 (Ref:3935975) | #762 | ||
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Spot one, and signed on as legal not only by Penske, but a whole stack of people including Holden people, Supercars people and FPR
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21 Oct 2019, 02:28 (Ref:3935976) | #763 | ||
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21 Oct 2019, 02:39 (Ref:3935978) | #764 | |
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I don't have to pick sides, to point out the obvious cock-ups in the catagory.
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21 Oct 2019, 02:48 (Ref:3935979) | #765 | |||
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21 Oct 2019, 02:59 (Ref:3935982) | #766 | ||
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Who's 'they'? Name a professional team that doesn't exploit the boundaries of the rules? Was not this the term being used when the ZB turned up with alloy panels?
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21 Oct 2019, 03:02 (Ref:3935983) | #767 | ||
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And so far it seems the answer is no, prior to this no one else has been charged with let alone admitted such a serious breach. So no one can list all the 888 ones over the years as no one else (including 888) have ever been done for unfair and unsporting conduct...DJR Team Debriss have that unsavoury stat all to themselves (I think, I might be wrong, which is why I phrased it as a question not a statement). Do you want to list all the times 888 have been charged with, let alone accepted and pleaded guilty to, unfair and unsporting conduct? I mean it hasn't happened in real life, but maybe it has happened in your bizaro world where Natsoft does not show lap-by-lap breakdowns and JW was a lap down in 2015? JW a lap down; Natsoft only showing final race results not lap-by-lap stats...do these statements you made make you a liar or just mistaken? Last edited by Jamolad; 21 Oct 2019 at 03:31. |
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21 Oct 2019, 03:12 (Ref:3935985) | #768 | |||
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21 Oct 2019, 03:20 (Ref:3935986) | #769 | ||
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Appendix B to the 2019 ISC (Code of Good Conduct), in particular the Obligation of Fairness. The Obligation of Fairness in Appendix B to the ISC is in the following terms: “All FIA Licence-holders and all Participants in International Competitions must not, in any way whatsoever, infringe the principles of fairness in competition, behave in an unsportsmanlike manner or attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics, in particular within the context of betting on the Competitions registered on the International Sporting Calendar.” Not sure you understood the Black Knight reference. He engages a guy that doesn't want to fight, continually gets his arse handed to him, but keeps carrying on like nothing is wrong and he is winning. But kudos for (eventually) admitting you were wrong on those couple of points. Seriously, that is a good sign. Last edited by Jamolad; 21 Oct 2019 at 03:26. |
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21 Oct 2019, 03:33 (Ref:3935987) | #770 | |||
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My whole point all along was DJR/Penske weren't the only team to have done this. Morris confirms the point with 888. The whole thing has been blown to epic proportions as though it hasn't happened before. The red/blue thing. And haven't been charged doesn't mean they haven't never done anything wrong. They just haven't been caught. Good work by 888. I understood the reference. Apparently your not very good applying it. But kudos for trying. |
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21 Oct 2019, 03:45 (Ref:3935989) | #771 | ||
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My statement you are now trying to debunk is that DJR Team Debris are the only team to have admitted and pleaded guilty to Appendix B to the 2019 ISC (Code of Good Conduct), in particular the Obligation of Fairness. I shouldn't have said this was an undeniable fact earlier - I don't know with 100% certainty that this is true, which is why I phrased it as a question - but so far no one has listed another team that has accepted and pleaded guilty to Appendix B to the 2019 ISC (Code of Good Conduct - Obligation of Fairness). I don't doubt that 888 (and many others both blue, red and other) have done unsavoury things in the past - I'm asking if anyone has ever done anything so bad for them to be taken to account under fairness and sporting. Off topic, but I'm reminded of a saying that goes along the lines of: "Never play chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, at some stage the bird is just going to knock all the pieces over, **** on the board, then strut around like it won." |
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Have a nice day. |
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21 Oct 2019, 05:05 (Ref:3936003) | #773 | ||
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You said some stuff that was wrong. I pointed out you were wrong. Probably should have ended there. You got angry and repeated your mis-truths and tried to present them again as facts. I and others reiterated that you were wrong (again), and that was when I said "Don't crack the sads when your blatant lies don't pass the slightest fact check..." (or something close to that). You now admit that what you twice stated to be facts were not true. I'm now aware that you get triggered when called a liar, so from now on when you try to present as facts what is known to be bullshit I will now use 'safe' words like mistaken, wrong, inaccurate, incorrect, false, misinfored, misguided etc...but won't call you a liar when you are lying. We good to get back on the topic of DJR Team Debris admitting their actions were unsporting and unfair? You and I both put our handbags down now? |
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21 Oct 2019, 05:44 (Ref:3936006) | #774 | ||
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Penske couldn't "plead guilty" quick enough! |
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21 Oct 2019, 05:59 (Ref:3936007) | #775 | ||
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So in your analogy, DJR Team Debriss were caught high-range DUI, the penalty on offer was far less severe than what they should have received for high-range, so they admitted all fault and pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity. So what you are saying is DJR Team Debriss pleaded guilty as they knew their unconscionable actions should have seen them receive a much much harsher penalty than what has been applied here. They could not plead guilty quick enough as they knew they were getting off lightly (they knew they deserved much harsher penalties)? Interesting take on things. I think it is more a case of, if you were caught high-range DUI, and you knew you were guilty of the offence and could not defend it, would you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity in hope of a lesser penalty rather than risk more severe punishment by wasting everyone's time trying to defend the indefensible? |
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