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Can he be changed ? | 5 | 9.62% | |
Can he maximise his talent ? | 14 | 26.92% | |
Is he a lost cause ? | 24 | 46.15% | |
No need to change ? | 9 | 17.31% | |
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11 Jul 2012, 14:20 (Ref:3105157) | #76 | ||
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there was no genius tyre call, or wizardry of pulling speed from an incapable car. there's plenty of drivers not capable of delivering what they need to on the day, at the time, on the tyres. he's able to do that, and that's why he excels as a grand prix driver. he does what's expected of him without fuss. but it's absolutely not intelligence, of the type where genius tyre calls or alonso-like wizardry come into play. or the type where a driver knows that the long term gain of letting a car faster in the short term pass him. that's not his game. his is in delivering serious pace. he needs to learn to ease off it. but can he? that's what we're discussing here. |
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My point is that he has demonstrated he can do it. The question is whether he can do it consistently enough to put him in the category of a title contender. At this stage I would say no, but then there are but a handful of drivers who would be able to do such a thing. |
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11 Jul 2012, 16:00 (Ref:3105195) | #79 | ||
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Vittorio Brambilla, known as the Monza Gorilla or Rock Ape, won the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix.He never won another one.
The way he drove makes Maldonado look positively tame in comparison. My point is that both were fast, were not the sharpest tool in the box but nonetheless had their ONE day in the sun.I think Maldonado has now had his. Brambilla never drove for a factory team in F1, his reputation made sure of that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Brambilla |
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Yup and he won by crossing the line backwards. He was a character though.
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My post was not a side-track of the thread, I just found it amuzing that the speculative invoice showed that Williams banked with Barclays. People in Glass Houses shouldn't throw rocks and all that. Back to the thread. |
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11 Jul 2012, 20:05 (Ref:3105306) | #82 | ||
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It was a post made for a little ironic laugh, not for serious discussion as was the post I quoted with the invoice, I imagine. |
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11 Jul 2012, 22:01 (Ref:3105365) | #85 | ||
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Maldonado has clearly got wins within him and his win to date was top drawer. The man is also psychological hard-man, he was philosophical for his first win, totally non-plussed for all this flak he's getting. There is something of 'Senna' within him that is lacking in uh..Senna.
It just depends whether those wins within him compensate for the bills. |
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Or sensible..... When it really comes down to it, how many drivers in F1 at the moment can we honestly say hand on heart would not bang wheels if it meant defending a podium position (rightly or wrongly) I can only see Alonso, Webber or Button fitting that really? |
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These are the points I was making: like many drivers, Maldonado has the components to be fast and be a winner. What separates those in the top tier from the talented is thier ability to put it all together over a race weekend.
Jean Alesi comes to mind as a driver who had the speed, was not terribly erratic or anything yet could not quite put it all together at one time. |
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Williams support Maldonado.
Mark Gillan: “We looked at it; in our opinion Perez squeezed Pastor,” Gillan told ESPNF1.com. “Pastor had the inside line, he braked, he locked the wheels and effectively grabbed the car. You can see a heavy twitch where he's fighting the car and the back end pushed right and hit Perez, so to me it is a racing incident. “Pastor is a real fighter. He's quick, he's a robust person on track and we've had a few incidents in the last number of races. “I think this was unfortunate but to me it's a racing incident. I can't see anything in it,” he continued. “Of course [we speak to him and discuss things like this]. We say that 'you've got to bring it home' to both the drivers, but with this one when he braked he was on the line and the car unfortunately just lost grip and he just couldn't control it. He definitely didn't want to hit Perez, that's for sure. “He is very mentally robust and certainly that's a major strength of his. He's not fazed by it and he just wants to drive the car as quickly as he can - and he usually does. So I don't have any worries about that at all.” http://www.crash.net/f1/news/181836/...maldonado.html |
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Sorry, the thread is too long to read every one, but dipping in and out, the general sentiment is pretty clear. I have to agree: Maldonado is an animal.
His various ill-judged accidents are one thing, and you can fairly compare them with Vittorio Brambilla, Andrea de Crasharis and one or two others. His assaults (carefully chosen word) on Hamilton (Spa) and Perez (Monaco) are something else entirely. It does the F1 stewards no credit at all that he got away with both of those. Compare them with Eddie Irvine's three race ban in Interlagos for, basically, getting involved in someone else's accident. Sadly Williams have got themselves into a situation of having two drivers, neither of whom could have been chosen according to the normal criteria. One is a charming and personable guy with a solid gold name and little talent. The other is an oaf with huge sponsorship from a rather dodgy source. I just hope that the quality of their car this year will give them the resources and credibility to make some more rational driver decisions next year. |
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Excellent post - a perfect summary of the realities.
At least Maldonado's money is keeping Williams viable until better days return - and securing jobs for a few hundred people. |
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It's funny how an opinion on something can alter one's perception of 'realities'. That post was an opinionated rant and riddled with factual inaccuracies.
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No foot-shooting involved - winning one GP doesn't make you the best thing since sliced bread..... And he isn't.
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Of course he isn't... but he isn't the div some make him out to be either. In terms of this thread and this poll, I think it's too early to make a pronouncement about PM.
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if you only watch f1, yes it is. if you've watched his progress through motorsport it's old news and very funny as f1 fans realise what you've seen and known all along.
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Yes he's been around a while in cars - and has had his fair share of controversy - but Formula One has always been very different. In the same vein, Senna caused plenty of trouble en route to F1 and while he was there too, yet he also managed to become one of the greatest the sport's seen. Maldonado has been in F1 for just over a year... if he manages more podiums and/or wins, people will place less emphasis on his indiscretions and failings. That's why I feel it's too early to compartmentalize him as great or crap.
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