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27 May 2010, 05:09 (Ref:2699001) | #101 | |
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does Tilke write the sporting and technical regulations as well, because they are about as good as his tracks?
Bet you Laguna is a better track than this next plastic mess bad luck Austin! Porta loos are cheap and plentiful and for 1 day well .... |
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If the rules weren't so restrictive then we'd see some better tracks from him (this is a guy who races on the Nordschliefe in his spare time). |
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Well he wouldn't want to spend any time on one of his tracks would he! |
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In easy words : the architect draws something up and the supply engineers and technicians have to make fit their trade into architects draw. LoL .... Here in Germany we got something that says "Please don't let Tilke even close to the Nordschleife. We'd end up with a 20 squarekilometer wide and plain skidpad where are some lines painted to the tarmac in order to show the circuit." Ironically, the saying is older than his trunk lorry parking lot style circuits. Last edited by Andy77; 27 May 2010 at 08:08. |
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27 May 2010, 08:06 (Ref:2699062) | #106 | |
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Why Tilke? The USGP circuit must be designed in a way in which US fans will like it. The track and facilities must be designed in a way that makes spectators feel at home. Tilke's past track designs were mostly meant for governments as a prestigious project to show off their capabilities and hence were bordering on the megalomanic (Sakhir, Shanghai, Yas Marina, Singapore and Valencia Marina to some extent as well).
I don't think US fans would like that approach to a sports facility. So Mr Tilke, please think different this time around. |
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Then again, some of his most recent works I've liked and they have provided good racing, Abu Dhabi and Silverstone arena. I don't think he can design a track that meets F1 standards and is 'Classic American Road Course' enough. Barber is a T1 circuit, which means F1 cars can test their, and with a few track mods (extension) and facilitys, they could very well race there. Barber is very much a 'Classic American Circuit' even in it's modern age. Now the track might not nessecary suck, Abu Dhabi and the new Silverstone arena have had pretty good GT races, but I just don't think he can capture the American feel. I don't know the relitave topography of Auston, but the track is being built on farmland which is usually flatish. If the guy has any sense, he will do nothing to the terrain. Last edited by Birddog07; 27 May 2010 at 08:56. |
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27 May 2010, 09:13 (Ref:2699089) | #108 | ||
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Tilke had nothing to do with the new Silverstone arena section.
I think it'd be really cool if he took some of the best corners from some of the classic US tracks and integrated them in to this, with a few of his own turns. Would never happen, but still I made a suggestion on F1 Fanatic: Why not have Tilke design 2/3 different options for the track, and let people vote for their favourite on the Formula 1 website? Better still, 3 different designer's designs.. Selby |
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27 May 2010, 11:48 (Ref:2699165) | #109 | ||
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The natural terrain around the Istanbul Park was green fields and forrests, but that was all levelled and we now have massive tarmac and loads of sandy looking spectator bankings.
I wonder if Simon Gillett is involved in this track venture? |
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He can't capture the feel of a European style track let alone an American style venue. When is he going to realise that his circuits do not improve the racing, as they are always touted and they lack any kind of character and atmosphere and quite frankly leave you cold or asleep! Harsh I know but I think fair. As has been pointed out he wasn't involved in Silverstone. Just one glimmer of hope, I caught some racing from the Aragon Raceway Spain a few weeks ago, I think it was Formula Renault but not sure. I believe this is a Tilke Track and (I can't quite believe I'm going to say this) I thought the track seemed reasonable, bit too many slow corners but otherwise not too bad. A lot of the infrasturcture wasn't yet in, so there's still time to make it characterless but maybe he has learnt something and been listening, here's hoping because I think he's going to be around for a while yet.
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If Tilke must build the track I'd like to see him build an oval for F1. |
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I just think a pure oval is a Indy/Nascar thing, it'd be nice to just chuck a corner on to one of the straights. Selby |
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I know what you mean about ovals being a Indy/Nascar thing but I would just like to see a GP on an oval. |
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27 May 2010, 12:36 (Ref:2699199) | #115 | ||
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I agree Laguna is fanastic! US should only agree to a GP if Tilke is not allowed on the continent> Like the Oval idea. |
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I don't see what the problem is with a GP on an oval, it would add another dimension to F1 and another style of driving. The only reason I still watch Indy Cars is the variety of tracks they race on.
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The aero on F1 cars doesn't work on ovals.
Anyways, as far as I'm concerned, if Tilke designs this track then it will produce horrible racing and be more of an amusement park then a track. |
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Austin Topo Map 1955 it is a bit hillier that i thought it would be and since the map is from 1955, it won't show the actual current limits of development However, it does give a good idea of the lay of the land. Contour interval is 10 feet; the highest point in the area, best i can tell, is Mount Larson at 1000 ft ASL in elevation, at the most. it is located across the Colorado River/Lake Austin from downtown Austin (left side of map), this area looks like Nat'l Forrest Land (Green shading usually denotes that but there is no label for it). Most likely, this area will not be used for the location of the circuit. On the other side is an airport. and JeremySmith may be able to add more to this, being a resident, or so he claims. |
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Last i checked F1 needs to find ways to cut costs and aero development is now the #1 point of spending since the engines are better than they used to be. |
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27 May 2010, 13:05 (Ref:2699229) | #123 | |
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Lets face it F1 aero doesn't work in racing if an oval will change that then we definitely want an oval!
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More importantly, the cars are not designed for it. I can remember the havoc on tires the Indy banking did. |
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