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A quote by Timo Scheider comes to mind, where he said that the manufacturers actually do not want a driver to become too popular on their own. So at the end of the day, the manufacturers want total control over this sport and even over who becomes popular and who wins a title. That's pretty sad in my opinion and makes a series like DTM almost look like WWE. |
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But for some reason we don't know, Tom Kristensen stayed in DTM for quite a while considering the fact that there is always a seat for him in the LMP.
Mind you. The current ITV4 exclusive deal of BTCC is actually killing it simply because ITV is no where near a mainstream TV provider (i.e. Sky, BT sport, BBC) and the current spectator number is second to British superbikes and slightly more than British GT, which doesn't even have a TV deal. I can't get ITV4 in any pub or hotel in England. When it comes to this, the situation of DTM isn't that bad. And do remember that the main market of DTM is Germany+eastern europe+anywhere the BBA oligarch want to expand their market. You even have Andy Priaulx's car at BTCC Brands Hatch GP and other rounds this year. Any other touring car series, well apart from WTCC, won't have such international effect. ------------------ To me, aero isn't a problem, 2007 and before we saw great races and fantastic drama. I do extremely hate the current budget friendly 2011-spec cars. The broadcast is so boring that every race the presenters just keep talking about the change of rear wing under DRS and report tire changes, pitstops. Who the hell cares about that? Just please invite R&D back, even if you have to borrow ERS-K and ERS-H from F1. As long as it produces drama and overtake, just do it. |
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But for the aero: I really want to see less reliance on aero, so drivers from touring cars or GT racing have a better chance than formula drivers, who are naturally used to racing cars with lots of downforce. |
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To be honest, German car manufacturers have 'cracked' the UK market very well. More German cars are exported to the UK than any other country. So there's less of a need to market your brand in such an established market. As much as I dislike the lack of a race here, from a business point of view it makes sense. |
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Say, what will happen to the DTM-Super GT merger when the former is in decline?
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I wouldn't call a series expanding extremely quick to the globe 'in decline'
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It's obvious, when german TV states, that there are 100.000 spectators there, and you see on TV screen, that many places are empty (sometimes the whole Sachs-Kurve is free). Its like saying, that you quit working because of too many customers :-) |
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40.000 is by the way still a good crowd number, considering that F1 only draws 52.000 on sunday. The German Bundesliga's average crowd numbers are also in that region so 40.000 wouldn't be bad. I guess the ITR is just making up numbers out of false pride, so they have a "proof" for their international popularity. But all it does is to make the ITR losing credibility more and more. |
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Good points all round, I'd say.
One thing tho, you talked about that DTM is where careers comes and stalls, Ekström for one I belive never had anywhere else he wanted to go, he went to DTM cause thats where he wanted to race. And thats where he has stayed for what, 13 years now? And taken 2 championships. If he wanted to go somewhere else, I'm sure that would never have been a problem. |
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@PorscheFanNo1: This may be true on one hand. But on the other hand, there have continuous rumours since 2009 that Ekström wants to do something else: NASCAR, Rally, Rallycross and V8 Supercars have all been named as potential destinations for him.
But Ekström should really be the model for any foreign driver that comes to the DTM: He speaks German fluently and I think that he's amongst the most well-known DTM drivers in Germany, although that doesn't say much nowadays. But I know that he did some PR work for DTM in the last decade, so he's really not using DTM as a way to pick up easy money. Unlike certain other people, who are content with being a testdriver in F1... |
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Well, I understand that ITR is losing creditability, but what I'm worried are the promises they made, especially with the GTA.
While Super GT is currently using a deviation of their ruleset, all I want is a clear message from DTM on whether they're committed to the unified ruleset or not. |
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an average sunday crowd realistically for wsr in the past 2 years is around the 30-40,000 level, weather dependant, so 40,000 is a very decent paid ticket attendance figure. especially now fuel is expensive and people have less disposable income, etc etc. |
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But maybe, some things will change about that. Hans-Werner Aufrecht has said that they want to "adjust" DTM to the changed viewer's habit. But it's only "maybe" and there is real danger that DTM will make things actually worse. |
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again they have exactly the same problem at the wsr events. it's a really good weekend, free motorsport at a pretty high level, lots of it and the racing is split evenly between two days so there's no advantage to attending either day in particular. there's plenty of non-track things to do. but people seem to be bored of it and attendance is dropping, even in hungary where there's hardly any top level motorsport and the attendance has always been through the roof.
i suppose the problem is trying to find another new toy or gimmick to encourage people through the door but not drawing attention away from the main event and the main purpose of the whole thing. not only do you have to spend on a new attraction, you have to spend on new advertising to make it known, which is a difficult thing to get approval and funds for. especially with mixed-brand events like dtm. |
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On the other hand, the German Motorcycle Championship will race with DTM together at the Lausitzring. Maybe that could help to draw more people to the Lausitz. |
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@DS: you are right, that 40.000 spectators is not bad, its the same than for football. But i think, that is also due to "not-bigger-stadiums".
Case "Ekström": he was ever a touring car ace, and never wanted to do Formula etc. Only other spectacular stuff like, Rally, Rallycross etc. He wants to have fun with what he does. And he is always a sympathic man, looks like a young boy and has also this habit. And of course he is a swede, that speaks german! That creates also nice stories and tales, so he is famous for it. Paffett is only famous for his complaints about others :-( |
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@AxelF: Paffett hasn't even bothered to learn one word of German during his 10+ years in Germany. Not even "bitte" or "danke". Nothing! Even Jamie Green has started to learn some German. Other foreign DTM drivers have done so as well, like Edo Mortara, Daniel Juncadella or Filipe Albuquerque (Even though he's been promoted to LMP1).
You know, with all the PR schooling for the young drivers, I wonder why the manufacturer don't send their drivers to a language school, so they can learn some German. The benefits should be obvious, since they'd have a better than interacting with the German media. |
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I saw the DTM for the first time at Brands 4 years ago. As Bert MK2 said it is the noise and speed that makes it unique in touring car racing.
I never understood why they didn't race on the GP circuit at Brands but I guess it doesn't matter now. If they return to race in the UK it will be at a different circuit. The cars demand a high calibre driver which I guess is why it has such a corporate image. Some changes should be made to the format maybe having two races over the weekend would be a way forward. If it is true that Gary Paffett has not learnt any German in his time there then I can understand the frustration felt by German fans. |
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Really? So can we expect some Mark Webber interviews in German in the future?
I also value your opinions you voice in the various sportscar threads. If you've got time, maybe you can partake in this discussion. I'm sure you might have something valuable to say. |
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Porsche teams work in German, I guess. So yes, you would need to know German.
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Di Resta's back with Mercedes in DTM: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112205
I think it's quite something to see a DTM driver go to F1 and then return to DTM right afterwards. Christijan Albers did that, too. But he was stuck with a two-year old car run by Collin Kolles. Maybe this will bring DTM some mainstream attention, because we have once again two former F1 drivers in the grid. But two capable drivers. |
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