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In the media world, your word is supposed to be as good as your bond... maybe they are learning bad habits from motorsport bods |
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On the other hand it doesn't explain why the tax payer run and supposedly independent and unbiased MW didn't disclose the sender of the email. What or who are they hiding/protecting and yes maybe they are learning bad things from Jamie Whincup |
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Not sure how Mr Whincup is involved in the matter between BAM Media and Media Watch.
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One thing I have learnt in my 55 years is that it is impossible to argue or rationalise with some people. I could go on to explain the type of people that I am refering to, but I will most certainly cop a penalty, suffice to say that peckstar is the most difficult person I have dealt with on internet forums, and I have dealt with a few.
So I politely withdraw from this debate because I will most like say something that I will later regret. |
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That's all it is, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and I'm NOT going to get into an argument with you over it. |
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but he is breaking his word, but we are alreday discussing it in the appropriate thread |
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What we saw very much looked like a single e-mail as the basis (certainly nothing else was referenced?), be interesting to know whether this has been a long simmering issue that required the right spark, or whether the canvasing of other parties was to confirm facts... The former changes things a little for me, the latter doesn't make it any less of a PR play, just means others want to gain from it as well. The thing that sets alarms bells of for me, is that if you're genuinely that aggrieved by the situation, two weeks doesn't seem like a hell of a long time to have exhausted your options with progressing things up the News Ltd food chain.... be very interesting to know at exactly what point MW were let loose. |
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But it is not important - not in the slightest. It's obviously not from a BAM client. It's equally obviously from a rival V8 Supercar team. It doesn't matter which one it is. Whether it's HRT or BJR or anyone else, they have the same intentions, the same grievance and the same hope of having it addressed. |
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It could be from a rival sponsor also
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Strange as it may seem, for me if it were from a directly from a team it'd change the context somewhat as their business wouldn't directly benefit from the washup... I don't think you necessarily have to name names. I think you're right, HRT or BJR would probably have the same intentions... But I think the intentions are different between a PR Company and a Team... so while I don't think the name is important, I believe "V8 Supercar Team frustrated at lack of coverage" and "PR Company frustrated at lack of coverage" are two very very different stories.... Be interesting to know whether there's a preamble to all of this... Two weeks seems like a pretty quick transition from e-mailing the editor of the local rag to going to the media about it (you would think there's plenty of scope to go up and up the food chain in a company as large as News Ltd)..... Again, even if it was a PR company, if it's a long running saga with some News Ltd heavy hitters ignoring grievance I'd understand.... Two weeks (if that) seems like a very short turn around between letter of frustration and going to the media.... unless you've got intent beyond remedy. Eduardo, just as a matter of interest. Are you able to give us some insight into where you see the difference in why the standard of disclosure should be different between GCB Publishing stories that benefits BAM's business and MW broadcasting a story that benefits the source's business (assuming it is a PR company at this stage... and can you humour me for a second if you don't think there's any upside for the source). |
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MW outlined a breach of News Ltd's own standards - the very ones you quoted - relating to Brett Murray's editorial contributions. Contributions that regularly, materially benefited his clients without disclosure that he was in charge of their publicity. News Limited ended his column. MW posted the content of an email that comes from a team (or associated partner). The email WAS the disclosure. Had they not revealed that email, everyone would have assumed that they simply noticed it and acted independently. The only 'benefit' for the email source is that, with a weekly motorsport column (if it's revived with another contributor) that has a 'fairer' allocation of news coverage for teams, they 'may' get increased coverage. I don't see any comparison whatsoever. For the record, I know Crusher well, have done for a long time, like him a lot and thoroughly enjoy his company. He was simply doing the right thing by his clients and taking full advantage of a situation. The failing is on Gold Coast Bulletin - the obligation was on them to ensure the appropriate disclosures were made - not Crusher's. I think axing his column was an over reaction - a few small amendments and that fairer rotation of team coverage would have sufficed because he is a good writer. And, respectfully, that's the last I'm going to engage in this thread. |
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Just had a look at that video. Funny viewing, I had a laugh.
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