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Brilliant! I've been trying to avoid using chrome as some of the stuff I use doesn't seem to work as well as IE, but it looks like it's going to be my go-to application for ten-tenths from now on!
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No problems with Microsoft Edge here. Those still using IE need to switch over to Edge. IE is dying (being strangled to death slowly by Bill).
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Thanks for the input guys, Admin is aware of the issue, and confirms that it's Internet Explorer.
It's being looked into, but in the mean time, the site and images will appear correctly in other browsers. SBF |
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Thanks for your efforts, it's not a life or death issue, but just gets a bit frustrating at times! As others have said, there are ways around it anyway by using a different browser.
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Don’t worry, my Lord, I have a cunning plan...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...for-new-season
Dear Lord. So if the 2018 engine isn’t any good, it’s OK! They’ll just stick this year’s lump in the back. Franz Tost must be very reassured. Last edited by ScotsBrutesFan; 31 Dec 2017 at 00:36. Reason: Edited to activate the link - SBF |
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"Honda, you wouldn't recognise a cunning plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing 'Cunning engine plans are here again'.".
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Honda's plan. "Instead of flushing this one like we've flushed the previous, we are going to polish the 2017 one for 2018. Then if the polished one doesn't work we'll just give Toro Rosso the unpolished one while we keep buffing!
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That's pretty much the way I see their statement too.
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I can see this being a terrible season in the making for them if that is the case
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Regarding the topic brought up here...
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152274 Which is that Honda is keeping the door open to using the 2017 engine at the start of the new season if the 2018 is not ready. My thoughts is... smart idea. Clearly the best option is to have a solution ready for 2018 testing using the 2018 engine. But given they were developing the 2017 engine up until the end of last year and likely still didn’t have solutions for various issues at the end of 2017, why risk a repeat of last year and bring something that might be worse than what they ended the previous year with? Richard Last edited by Richard C; 2 Jan 2018 at 13:03. |
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By the end of 2017 the engine was less unreliable but still down on power - so if the 2018 engine is a no go then we know that Torro Rosso will struggle. How bad would the 2018 engine have to be to not even try and use it? Let's say that it's on a par with the Renault unit for power but is has a 50% chance of blowing up - would you go with that or stick to an engine that has a 20% chance of blowing up but you know you're giving up the power? If they have to stick the 2017 engine in the car then that's a(nother) huge failure on the part of Honda. If that 2018 engine doesn't deliver either a significant increase in power or a massive increase in reliability then you really do have to wonder exactly what the hell Honda have been doing. |
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It does sound as though they are going for an evolution of the now more reliable 2017 engine rather than a trying to come up with something new, within the homologation rules.
It may also mean that they are going go very close to the wire on producing the definitive 2018 engines and so perhaps only having one available for each car in Aus, with the 2017 engine in the crate as a back up hoping that they don't need to use it and have it count as one for the season. |
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Was the achilles heel of the engine not traced to a dodgy oil tank design, that ultimately was restricted on installation space within the McLaren chassis? That led to vibration issues. Or something similar.
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That was stated, but it was all the way back in February. Surely they would've updated it to eliminate that?
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So Honda have a back-up plan if something goes wrong. Their not expecting it to go wrong and it would be far from ideal if it does, but they have a back-up plan.
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I think it could be a tough season for them, but we’ll see if they need the backup plan
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2 Jan 2018, 21:53 (Ref:3790371) | #145 | |
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Shame the backup plan is a previous plan that has previously failed.
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Yes, it would be far from ideal.
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with no backup plan at all? Clearly having to have a backup plan is unfortunate. I think the "failure" of the 2017 engine was in it's form at the start of the season and not the end. To be clear, I am not saying it was in fine condition at the end either. The 2017 engine still had unresolved reliability issues at the end of 2017. Also, I wonder how many resources are being diverted to allow Plan B to be a viable option? As mentioned above, I tend to think that they will not need to do use the 2017 engine. Richard |
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3 Jan 2018, 08:54 (Ref:3790428) | #148 | |
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Well the backup plan is the 2017 engine. The 2017 engine is by far the worst engine on the grid. To me, that's a failed plan.
Plan A - make the 2018 engine decent If it isn't decent then move to Plan B. Plan B is use the failed engine from last year. Doesn't fill me with confidence. |
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If the new engine isn't powerful or reliable enough plug in the old engine - that isn't powerful or reliable enough. Surely the new engine must be at least more reliable or more powerful? They can't have built a worse engine surely? I can see why you might say it's prudent to have a backup - but that does imply a lack of faith in the new engine. You don't see Mercedes saying anything about using last years engine - all their talk is of pushing towards 1000bhp. Renault said their problems towards the end of last year was aggressive development - they've not said they're going to turn the engines back down - they're pushing forwards. Ferrari haven't said much - but again I doubt they're looking backwards. In F1 if you're not developing, pushing the boundaries, changing, evolving then you're going to be nowhere. Honda have to get the new engine right. |
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The only thing in their favour is the Honda engine seemed to get more reliable towards the end of last season, other than that they probably have work to do
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