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27 Mar 2004, 10:34 (Ref:921088) | #176 | ||
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In the Rosso Bianco collection there's a T292, with a tall Schulthess / Jauslin-like airbox...
I guess from the nose sticker, it raced in the Supersports cup at some point, but don't know who drove it.. http://www.shmoo.com/~bmc/photos/Car...f0046.jpg.html Last edited by Jeremy Jackson; 27 Mar 2004 at 10:34. |
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27 Mar 2004, 18:29 (Ref:921413) | #177 | ||
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Blimey Jeremy that's a bit too close to be a coincidence, don't you think?! There can't have been too many cars with a distinctive airbox, central rear-view mirror, and the rear (brake?) ducts like that, can there? Also, what is under that airbox - a dummy engine? Surely if it was a 2-litre engine that kind of airbox wouldn't fit? You can even see white paint on the nose where it has flaked away - maybe that is another clue too.
So perhaps Schulthess/Jauslin's car really was a T292 uprated, maybe even the car built by Lola and sold originally to Jolly Club which ran Dijon 73 with the Capri V6 or Schulthess's original 73 T292 uprated? Do you know of anyone who has results for the Orwell Supersports - surely they haven't been backing it for that long have they?- Michael PS - I get the feeling that Rosso Bianco is somewhere I really ought to go... |
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27 Mar 2004, 20:28 (Ref:921479) | #178 | ||
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Michael,
The series website is http://www.orwell-supersportscup.com but only has 2002-03 results. The T292s in those years are chassis I've seen a few years ago, and so they're not the item in question. (And we don't know how long the car has been at Rosso Bianco) I'm not sure about previous series, but Roman Krejci's site at http://isr.cudlici.com/ has some results (Balton's T282 gets a few mentions), but not complete. Unfortunately, as we've seen, contemporary reports don't give much on the Schulthess car's history, although I've only ised Autosport, have got MN reports for that period. Well, I'd love to go to Rosso Bianco too, but my circumstances will need to change somewhat. |
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28 Mar 2004, 03:44 (Ref:921724) | #179 | ||
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Pack your bags and GO to Rosso Bianco, you wont be sorry if you do. We, my wife and I went in 2001. Its a great Sportscar place. Mick Last edited by mickj; 28 Mar 2004 at 03:45. |
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28 Mar 2004, 10:43 (Ref:921925) | #180 | ||
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Hi Jeremy/Mickj
I know what you mean Jeremy about circumstances having to change - so many places, so little time...and so much money needed to get there! I did think that if I made a visit to the Ring it was probably only one and a half to two hours on from there, judging by a quick look at the map. But I don't have any plans to do that this year at present! Re Martin's site, something interesting caught my eye, which was Jorg Zaborowski, Palm Springs, was the entrant for Dieter Quester in the Supersports race at the Ring 28/6/92, so this might offer up one or two ways of making contact with him to put a few more pieces of the jigsaw into place. As a result of this reference to Palm Springs, I believe I have tracked him down and am about to fire off an email to see what he can tell me...I'll let you know if/what I hear from him. Michael |
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30 Mar 2004, 11:36 (Ref:923858) | #182 | ||
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Hi PHDM/(Peter?)
Thanks for that - I hadn't picked up that only one car was offered (despite pics of two being in the catalogue!) and that it did not sell. Presumably, they must have been sold privately since then... Would very much like to see those pics... Cheers Michael |
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8 Apr 2004, 10:53 (Ref:934232) | #183 | ||
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Hi all
Check out this site: http://palmspringscam.com Then click on P.S. Gallery under 'Modules' on the left, then 'The old days of my Motor Racing'. Somewhere in that gallery you will find several pics of Zaborowski's Lola T280 (as well as his March 761, 2-litre Chevron and early Formula Vee and Brabham F2 or F3 cars). He reckons he did several races in it, as well. Bodywork was bought from Tony Birchenough, hence the different rear wing - he thinks it was basically the bodywork off a later 2-litre car. Unfortunately, Jorg can't remember who he sold the car to, but thought the name of Malcolm Johnstone sounded right. It would fill in the last link in the chain if we could track down Mr Johnstone - anybody got any ideas about this? Cheers Michael PS - PDHM, any luck on those Blaton photos? |
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8 Apr 2004, 11:13 (Ref:934254) | #184 | ||
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Michael,
Thanks for the link, definitely looks like the rear bodywork that the DRA T290/4s used. The colour scheme looks right in comparison with the photo I have of David Auger's caR in 1981 (Did I send you that, or have you got the appropriate Autosport?), and he bought the car off Johnstone. So there's a definite chain of ownership there. |
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8 Apr 2004, 11:23 (Ref:934261) | #185 | ||
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I agree re the colour scheme - don't know if you have got that far yet but there is a very poor quality colour shot of the car towards the end of the gallery. Of course, this doesn't help us much because the Autosport shot is b&w but does anyone have any colour pics (or memory of it) of the colours it ran in Thundersports - if they were the same that would also be a good link although I guess the car might well have been resprayed? Michael |
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8 Apr 2004, 11:42 (Ref:934271) | #186 | ||
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This is what Zaborowski had to say about the races he did with the T280: "I have had three races with the Lola One at Hockenheim , one Wunsdorf (Airfield) , one Hillclimb Eifel. The last was in Hockenheim there I blew the engine. " He also mentions Avus in his photo gallery - maybe someone might recognise the backdrops in the photos, I'm afraid I'm not very good on German circuits other than the Ring! The one where the car is No. 9 looks like an airfield location - maybe Wunsdorf? Interestingly, Zaborowski is listed as contesting Round 2 of the 1977 Interserie at Avus in a Lola T290, then in the next round at Wunsdorf in the same type of car. He is then listed as driving a T390 in the next round at Nurburgring (unlikely?). Perhaps the 2-litre bodywork on a 3-litre car was confusing to people and they didn't know what to call the car? Even Zaborowski calls it a T282 in his gallery! Same car listed for next round at Mainz-Finthen in September, then he is listed as last, having completed 17 of 22 laps at the next round at Hockenheim, October 9th 1977 - perhaps this was when he blew the engine? As far as I can tell he doesn't appear in Interserie results for 1978, which would tie in because he says he took the blown engine to Swindon Racing Engines, bought a second-hand DFV for a good price and on the same trip collected the March 761 from Williams Grand Prix Engineering, which he then appears in at Snetterton (April?) 1978. Don't know about the Hillclimb Eifel - do you know of anyone who has results for hillclimbs in the 70s? Cheers Michael |
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8 Apr 2004, 11:58 (Ref:934280) | #187 | ||
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Michael,
Martin Krejci's brother Roman has some hillclimb results here: http://isr.cudlici.com/ But I haven't checked for Zaborowski. I have the same mixture of cars for him in my results, the only definite T280 entry I had for him was Mainz in 1976. He was entered in at least 1 race in 1977 by "GRS International Racing" which I thought was linked to GRD when ran F2 & F3 in the early 70s. |
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8 Apr 2004, 13:35 (Ref:934382) | #188 | ||
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If you go to the very last page of the gallery to image 61 of 63 (filename image-69.jpg) there is a photo of the T280 alongside a transporter with GRS International Racing Team on the side. So I would guess this is maybe an old transporter that he bought and whoever filled in the team name did so at the meeting from the tranporter maybe, rather than the programme, or from their own photographic records? Just a thought... Either way I would say that ties GRS International Racing in rather nicely with Mr Zaborowski, doesn't it? Michael |
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8 Apr 2004, 15:05 (Ref:934472) | #189 | ||
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Michael,
When it ran in Thundersports 83, it had 2 liveries, the first up to when it had it's fire at Donington in August (only have b&w photos for that), and then after the rebuild, what appears to be the red/blue livery that is shown on the car in RossoBianco, when it raced at Brands in October. Agree that Zaborowski's is probably an old transporter, ands omeone's information gathering may have been questionable. Doesn't give much confidence on accuracy of car types then... |
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8 Apr 2004, 15:50 (Ref:934504) | #190 | ||
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Sorry, don't have my pics of the car here at home - was the 'pre-fire' livery the same as the one on the Auger car? BTW, I have found someone who might be able to put me in touch with David Auger, so I'll follow that one up when I get a moment. Michael |
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8 Apr 2004, 16:33 (Ref:934548) | #191 | ||
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The pre-fire livery looks like a single colour (red?), with 2 white(?) stripes extending back down the top of the body from the headlights on each side.
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9 Apr 2004, 07:41 (Ref:935012) | #192 | ||
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Lola at Brands Mallock/Cooper
Here is a colour image of the Lola280 at brands in what i am guessing to be the post fire colour in 1983. I am a little confused what meeting this would have been as it shows a large crowd in a different shot, the European GP maybe? |
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9 Apr 2004, 07:47 (Ref:935014) | #193 | ||
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Thanks Nordic,
Yes this is the Thundersports "post-fire" livery from the European GP support race, the Otford Group Trophy. I was wrong saying October above, but this was the race I meant. This was the only Thundersports race in 1983 after the Donington fire |
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11 Apr 2004, 10:55 (Ref:936390) | #194 | ||
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Jean Blaton's car in Poulain auction, 13 December 1999.
Car described as HU282/6. |
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11 Apr 2004, 11:04 (Ref:936399) | #195 | ||
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Chassis plate shown in catalogue reads T286 HU7.
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11 Apr 2004, 11:08 (Ref:936406) | #196 | ||
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Photos show one car with chromed roll hoop and yellow rear view mirror.
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11 Apr 2004, 11:18 (Ref:936416) | #197 | ||
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Another one.
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11 Apr 2004, 11:19 (Ref:936420) | #198 | ||
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Third.
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11 Apr 2004, 11:24 (Ref:936425) | #199 | ||
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Fourth.
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11 Apr 2004, 11:26 (Ref:936427) | #200 | ||
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Photos of another car with black roll hoop and black mirror.
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