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I am confused. All I was saying was that a hybrid using capacitors instead of batteries would not be suitable for even driving on city streets. Therefore it would be a waste of money and effort to develop this technology in sports car racing. Eventhough Toyota has already done this one year ago. Which I only mentioned to show another way of doing things.
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18 Sep 2008, 00:12 (Ref:2292936) | #204 | |
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I'm thinking (or hoping) the way the PDF says "use of the present generation P2 engines in P1" - is little simplified. Again, hopefully.
For sure needs some altering, since in present displacement rules diesels are basicly ruled out in P2. Favouring turbocharging (also petrol) could make sense. Since ACO is thinking quiet race cars are spectacular, killing the sound variety and going for 3.4L V8 formula is probably not a problem for them. -edit- Last edited by deggis; 18 Sep 2008 at 00:18. |
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While I don't like the increased spec-ing of the engines anymore than you do, I will point out that I find the Porsche and Acura V8s sound dramatically different in person.
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18 Sep 2008, 10:42 (Ref:2293127) | #207 | |
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But it's the production engine.
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18 Sep 2008, 18:56 (Ref:2293319) | #208 | ||
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Some more info and discussion here, including news/rumours on Toyota's P1 and how the manufactuers are now pushing the agenda. http://www.sportscarpros.com/cottonb...ry/default.htm Last edited by JAG; 18 Sep 2008 at 19:01. |
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Interesting comments from Porsche in that article.
Also that article raised interesting question that ACO needed to decided whether to reduce speed of the cars or to butcher La Sarthe even more (that will probably happen eventually and gradually in the future anyway). Since when exactly this "3 m 30 s" safe zone has been in use? Sometimes I think it is actually quite naive to look at that all the time and basically make all the decisions based on that. I mean how about all the other tracks and lap times? And in the end endurance racing is not always about the fastest laps. Especially naive (or not, since it's probably intentional) is to not count track changes (e.g. Tertre) to the "target time". Last edited by deggis; 18 Sep 2008 at 23:48. |
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Your comment about other tracks implies that the ACO really cares about other races beyond Le Mans. While this is probably becoming more the case as the LMS comes of age, their chief focus is La Sarthe. The ALMS has enough bespoke rules through IMSA that there is little reason for the ACO to attempt to regulate the performance of cars in North America too tightly. Regarding the fact that endurance racing is not always about the fastest laptimes, you're right. However, races are becoming more and more sprint-based, and because nobody is going for a championship at Le Mans, this is even more the case at that particular race. Furthermore, while endurance racing may not be about ultimate laptimes, safety is more closely related to them, and this is some of the motivation, I'm sure. |
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Thank god ACO wasn't concerned about maximum speeds... since they officially published the 358 km/h ghost time for Dome... (which was wrong because of speed trap malfunction or something as proved in the threads here). Quote:
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About rear wing changes:
End plates are not affected? After seeing the first pics of new '09 spec rear wing for F1 which looks absolutely horrendously out of proportion... http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s..._mg_5300-4.jpg ...new wings on LMPs might have a bit similar effect to looks. I mean take a look at some picture of LMP and imagine 20 cm cut from each side. With smaller endplates might actually look more aggressive. I'm tempted to do a photoshop mockup. Last edited by deggis; 19 Sep 2008 at 01:41. |
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Yikes, that is about the stupidist-looking car I've seen in years. I already struggle to make myself watch F1 when there's no water on track. I think having to watch these things circulate will call into question my ability to hold down my breakfast.
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Remove another 10 cm at each side. |
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Petrol pace is manageable, but the diesels were in a different league so drastic action was needed. Even so, I wouldn't be suprised if the announced reg changes only knock 1 to 1.5 seconds off the P1 diesel lap times at regular circuits, and bring them back to 2007 pace at Le Mans. |
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Whit that small rear wing, some sponsors is getting problems with there names (on the F1)
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That wing doesn't look as foolish as those tires. Remember how strange the F1 cars looked with the change to narrow chassis and grooved tires. If we could get used to that we can used to just about anything. There have been rear wings in F1's past that could fit within the rear tires. And the proposed rear wings for protos really is not that big of deal at all in terms of aesthetics.
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20 Sep 2008, 10:05 (Ref:2294116) | #222 | ||
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So LMP2 will use more or less Grand AM DP engines. Hope the ACO doesnt adopt the Chassis one day ...
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Thats the day I stop going !!!
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22 Sep 2008, 11:32 (Ref:2295140) | #224 | ||
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But that's the strange thing-why would the ACO allow GT2 engines-which are often bigger than LMP2 engines in displacement, and thus have lots more torque even if they make the same power-be used in LMP2 cars if their intent is to distance LMP1 and LMP2, especially if LMP1 will use LMP2 engines without a weight reduction from 900kgs.
Maybe they think that KERS will make the difference, but I don't see how that would be, especially if KERS is also legal in LMP2. |
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