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v8 supercars, holden, ford& chrysler ??????
is it possible we will have 3 makers [holden ford chrysler ] in supercars v8 ,as all 3 will have v8 rear wheel drive cars in our market place and on our roads by this coming christmas ?????
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If you're asking if we'll see another manufacturer in V8 Supercars, the answer is almost certainly no. Holden and Ford like their duopoly too much to let a third party get into the fun. Maybe if Holden or Ford dropped out someone else may pick up the ball...
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I'm pretty sure any manufacturer in the V8 Supercars must be an Australian road car manufacturer. That leaves only Mitsubishi and Toyota.
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Would be nice but I can't see it happining for a while
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Mitsubishi is owned by DAIMLER-CHRYSLER...
So, that means if they make a Mistubishi SLK, or Mitsubishi Charger, NP's... |
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Is there a rule that says the car has to be a current model?
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14 Sep 2004, 22:52 (Ref:1096836) | #7 | ||
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I have believed for a while now that the Chrysler 300C might be in contention for the V8 supercars. 4 doors, rear wheel drive with a 5.7 Hemi V8. Also, there are rumours that MMAL are looking at this car, as well as the Pajero, as the second car for their factory.
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The rules are that the race car must be based on a road car of the following specs
Four doors, Rear drive 5.0 L V8 Built in Australia... Obviously they have turned a blind eye to the 5.0L thing, but the rest they have not! |
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So there is no mention made of whether the entered car has to be a current model?
If not, then there is no reason stopping Toyota or Mitsubishi entering. Last edited by racer69; 15 Sep 2004 at 01:58. |
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[EDIT] Just noticed that there is no mention of rear drive... Last edited by lcfp2297; 15 Sep 2004 at 03:48. |
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it is an interesting question to be put before the TRADE PRATICES COMMISION,,,
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- Toyota entering a Lexcon - Mitsubishi entering a Charger (from same family of make), or hell a Sigma. Of course these would provide no interest to the manufacturer because they are old models, but the loophole is there to potentially do it. Quote:
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Just one question? It says under rule 2.1.2 There is only one class of Car – the V8 Supercar – with engines of up to 5000cc capacity fitted to Cars of which at least 25,000 examples, meeting the definition of Family of a Vehicle (Rule C 1), must have been produced.
Just rang my Holden dealer, can't get one, can only have one if I take a 5.7 litre. I am sure there is a loophole elsewhere that gets Holden outa this one! |
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With respect to engine size, isn't it a tad anachronistic to be running cast iron 5l V8s? Of course, if Ford was allowed to "homologate" its quad cam V8, Holden would be stuffed. While the old Gen III V8's not a bad engine, I doubt that it'd hold a candle to the Ford plant if either were allowed to be worked on.
Still, it'd be nice to see a category where current model Holdens and FOrds running their current engines in a modified form. Sort of like Group A, but tweaked better. |
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MJT, Wouldn't it be just as anachronistic to run alloy OHC engines? Not much has changed in internal combustion engines in the last 100 or so years...come to think of it, the whole idea of racing cars powered by an internal combustion engine is anachronistic... Bring on the fuel cells... ...and the wheels on the bus go round and round... |
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with engines of up to 5000cc capacity fitted to Cars of which at least 25,000 examples, meeting the definition of Family of a Vehicle (Rule C 1), must have been produced.
depending on how you read it, that rule could mean engines max capacity of 5000cc and those engines must be fitted to Cars of which 25,000 examples etc etc |
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yEp UP TO 5 Ltr :Are all the teams in breach of the rules -
I'm calling for the toughest penalty ! It's a JOKE fine them all ! Last edited by Techo; 16 Sep 2004 at 07:53. |
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Ive only seen photos of these 300C or whatever they are called, hopefully we'll be able to check one out at the motorshow?
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Cant really see how it would be any interest to the Trade Practices commission. The rules are laid out. You either conform to the rules or you cant play. Quite simple really.
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