ACO on ALMS P2 class - Page 10

bil588 · 14 Aug 2007, 21:43 (Ref:1989159)

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Originally Posted by Hugewally

Because they have real-life commitments to attend to rather than play with their car.

Such as what?

Fogelhund · 15 Aug 2007, 00:53 (Ref:1989259)

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Originally Posted by bil588

Such as what?

They didn't disclose the details, not that it really matters.

bil588 · 22 Aug 2007, 04:42 (Ref:1994219)

Does Marino Franchitti know the P2 class is meant for privateers?

http://www.americanlemans.com/news/Article.aspx?ID=3519

TWK · 29 Aug 2007, 01:25 (Ref:1998867)

I don't know why he would, because no one else in the ALMS seems to. Somebody's going to have to show me that as a rule, rather than just a bunch of French "wishing it were so."

While they're at it, they can come up with a set of rules that define what is, and what is not, a privateer. There's the problem, isn't it? Having watched AJR and Porsche successfully argue for years that they weren't a "factory team," it's not clear to me what such a thing looks like.

How about Fernandez? Are they a factory team? They've got an off-the-shelf chassis, a viable non-automotive sponsor. Sure, Acura is working on its motor, but they can upgrade that without making their teams "factory teams," can't they? Is Fernandez a privateer and Highcroft a factory team?

Let me see, Pescarolo and Creation have to be factory teams, don't they? What about Zytek? Factory team. They're nominally in P1 now, are they barred from P2?

Make rules to put the hardware into reasonably competitive classes, as has been the case for decades. The rest is social engineering.

AU N EGL · 29 Aug 2007, 11:50 (Ref:1999117)

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Originally Posted by TWK

The rest is social engineering.

and the French ( ACO, FIA & SRO? ) love social engineering.

bil588 · 9 Sep 2007, 00:48 (Ref:2007211)

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Originally Posted by TWK

I don't know why he would, because no one else in the ALMS seems to. Somebody's going to have to show me that as a rule, rather than just a bunch of French "wishing it were so."

While they're at it, they can come up with a set of rules that define what is, and what is not, a privateer. There's the problem, isn't it? Having watched AJR and Porsche successfully argue for years that they weren't a "factory team," it's not clear to me what such a thing looks like.

How about Fernandez? Are they a factory team? They've got an off-the-shelf chassis, a viable non-automotive sponsor. Sure, Acura is working on its motor, but they can upgrade that without making their teams "factory teams," can't they? Is Fernandez a privateer and Highcroft a factory team?

Let me see, Pescarolo and Creation have to be factory teams, don't they? What about Zytek? Factory team. They're nominally in P1 now, are they barred from P2?

Make rules to put the hardware into reasonably competitive classes, as has been the case for decades. The rest is social engineering.

The ACO says that P1 is reserved for more performance than P2, but the weight doesn't help.

bil588 · 7 Oct 2007, 03:57 (Ref:2033437)

Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich, Head of Audi Motorsport says P2 grids threatened by factory entries

http://sportscaranalytics.com/?p=253

Interesting as just one P2 privateer, VDS, has raced in ALMS this year.

As a side note, I wonder what the ACO's Daniel Poissenot was saying in the bottom picture in the link

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/sel..._1&Y=2007&O=24

Zurbert82 · 7 Oct 2007, 04:46 (Ref:2033449)

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Originally Posted by bil588

Interesting as just one P2 privateer, VDS, has raced in ALMS this year.

What about Dyson?

SebringMG · 7 Oct 2007, 10:34 (Ref:2033771)

Yeah Dyson are privateers with another two rumoured for next year....

JAG · 7 Oct 2007, 15:09 (Ref:2034027)

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Originally Posted by SebringMG

Yeah Dyson are privateers with another two rumoured for next year....

Exactly, privateers.

How many races have Dyson won.

The RS Spyder in privateer hands is a realistic target for P2's such as the Zytek and even low budget P1's like Intersport and Cytosport.

Penske are on a different level.

IMO '08 should really be their last year in P2.

AU N EGL · 7 Oct 2007, 15:14 (Ref:2034030)

I think 2007 is year which demonstrates the ACOs need to define What a "Works / Factory team" and what an "Indpendent team" is?

How much technical assistance can a Manufacture give or provide at no cost to an independent team, and that team remain indpendent?

bil588 · 7 Oct 2007, 20:22 (Ref:2034298)

i forgot about dyson racing $$$$$ machines

bil588 · 12 Nov 2007, 00:43 (Ref:2065312)

Le Mans winner: Porsche and Acura should be in P1

http://www.planetlemans.co.uk/cmsv2/...=3216&Itemid=2

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