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9 Mar 2012, 04:47 (Ref:3037367) | #1526 | |
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Anyways..... Back on topic.
Simonsen's outright lap record from Sprint Bathurst late last year: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM4QpKaTNtc&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube] |
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9 Mar 2012, 05:29 (Ref:3037372) | #1529 | |
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I'd say 280 odd and that would be optimistic ..... More aero = less top speed obviously. And yes a very shallow line through Forrest's Elbow... Super deep through the chase!
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I went to Bathurst this year and I thought the whole weekend was great. The actual race was fantastic and like everyone has been saying it would be good to have more cars. What are your thoughts on an invitation class for Bathurst Specials (maybe based loosely on Improved Production). For example limit them to 250-300hp or weight penalty over 300hp, minimum weight, age limit of car (eg cannot be anymore than 1 model older than the current model) and as for the rest they can do what they like. Their seems be be a lot of these types of specials racing in Europe eg VW, Ford Focus, Renault. What rules they run to I don't know.
I no expert so do you think. Also, would they be able to race these cars in different classes at other race meetings Regards Richard |
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9 Mar 2012, 22:40 (Ref:3037735) | #1534 | ||
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rjg I think you have put your finger on the soloution.
Realy it is only a mild loosening of the Series Production rules that is needed. Slicks allowed. More freedom in wheel and brake upgrades to facilitate quick changes. Allow manual gearboxes where the model imported has only an automatic or allow changes in the control of the transmissions. Some freedom in fuel system and tank design and placement retaining tank size to capacity restrictions that apply at present. As you suggest no older than one superceeded model and some limit related to numbers of the particular car/engine/transmission combination produced to prevent a repeat of the Monaro fiasco. The other thing that might be usefull is an old Le Mans style index of performance based on wieght/laps covered/fuel consumption. Could make a great marketing tag for an importer or manufacturer to hang their hat on. And of course they would still have to fit the 130% rule, would be on compatible slicks so if well driven wouldn't be too much of a problem to the GT3 front runners. Now all we have to do is get the entry fees down and the fuel and tyre contracts sorted. |
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Ive always been of the belief that the Production series should allow a few more modifications to make the cars that little bit more exciting. But i think this could work as a one off category for the race as well. Cars that are bullets out of the showroom such as the evo's could be restricted to less modifications maybe based on a system like you suggested, or a target lap time. Things that would definately help the category are slicks, bigger wheel packages for cars such as the fpv's and hsv's, some more engine and exhaust freedoms to make the cars louder and faster while probably still keeping to stock bodykits. And make sure all these modifications can be done in a manner that allows an easy transition back to production spec racing if thats where the cars originate from. |
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I'll admit to being old, grumpy and a bit past it, the race was great but I admit to leaving a little disapointed and unsure of the future.
Having gone through the review and navel gazing process about the B12 there seem to be a lot of suggestions about cars and class structures etc. In a motor racing forum that is to be expected, but in the end the race is going to survive on effective marketing, or fail due to the lack of it. The overall marketing of the event has to improve. The real savior would of course be live to air FTA TV, but to get that there needs to be the development of significant commercial interest alongside improved spectator interest. The overall treatment of the B12 as an EVENT by the organisers needs to be built up with supporting "happenings" and the ceation of an atmosphere that gels with the character of the event. Please don't fall for the Rock concert and VB line but there are slightly up market alternatives that would attract rather than repel the B12 crowd. Why for instance do all the support series people pack up and leave on Saturday evening. They are motor race competitors, who by their very nature aren't much interested in sticking round to watch someone else doing the same thing. But they could be interested in staying if there were things happening at the circuit. B12 is an event most people start planning for well in advance. That means information and news has to be streamed over a period before the event rather than saved for the last minute. It is easy to take shots at the organisers, but I wondered if some of the teams could have got a better return for themselves and their sponsors out of the event. Two teams did a great job. Audi of course had the dealers and guests thing down pat and it worked well. The two long blondes distributing Audi flags were a memorable part of the weekend. Kiwi team, Motorsport Services, had a group attending who they provided with hospitality, group photo ops. caps and shirts etc. Don't know if it was a sponsor link or a supporters tour, but it was very professionaly done. Looking at the potential surely Maranello could have come up with an idea out of Lygon St for promotion of tomatoes. The watching public probably didn't get the Il Bella Rosso connection at all. And Scudd, if you are sticking with JBS, how about some butchers aprons and nice thick steaks on a barbie out the back. Or maybe the Brazillian connection offers opportunities. Anyone else got any bright ideas? |
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11 Mar 2012, 23:36 (Ref:3038560) | #1539 | |
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OK guy's enough pot shots !
Lets talk facts and the facts are (ask Mal Rose ). B12 hr entry $11000 (International's are subsidised) Sepand 12hr $2500 U.S. B12 hr fuel $2.90 litre Sepang 12 hr fuel 100 litres for practice no charge 800 litres for racing no charge. Shipping to Malaysia and back around $10000. Everyone on slicks. Everything else in Malaysia (food, 5 star hotels, rental cars etc.) about 1/3rd the price at Bathurst. GT cars and prod tourers and prod sports race very happily together there. BTW they also have a 1000K race for under 1900cc production cars because they had 120 cars trying to get onto a 77 car grid at the 12 hr a couple of years back.. I believe the facilities and the organizers attitude to competitors is first class. Is it just me or is one country doing all it can to promote motor racing and the other is allowing "catergory Managers" to make aliving from the wallets of the Aussie competitor. I am saving for a holiday in Malaysia to watch their 12 hr evnt and have a holiday. |
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I do not point the specific finger at any particular individual here--but we are over regulated and over governed in Australia-- to quote an English writer on discussing Australia in general-- "Such great freedom-- but so many silly rules" !! He was not talking about any sports--but it has hit the nail on the head !! |
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After watching the 3 hour coverage on Saturday - its time to get rid of the term 'the lane' when referring to pit lane.
Whats wrong with calling it pit lane? Crompton is bad enough by himself but now commentators are taking it upon themselves to mimic him Whats next - pit land? |
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But there's no doubt that racing here in OZ can be way more expensive than OS. A full season of Formula Renault 1.6 in France (equivalent to our Formula Ford but with wings and slicks) can cost around $80'000 AUS. That includes heaps of testing plus for young drivers, media and racecraft training from seasoned veterans. US F2000 costs less than National Formula Ford and even a top level State Formula Ford team drive can set you back the best part of $200'000 I'm told. If I had a talented youngster looking to make a career in motorsport the first thing I'd do is get them out of OZ ASAP. |
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Surely having a race at a permanent facility like Sepang would be way cheaper than getting a place like Bathurst up and running?
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Simonsen got a gig with WRT? Fantastic. Great to see him picking up a ride at the 24hr after Farnbacher stopped racing in GT2 at the end of last year-blame DTM for taking all the Hankook money.
Happy to see Luff get a seat too, well deserved, hope he does well. As for Lowndes-who knows? |
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Lowndes said during the 12hr that the Nurburgring 24hr clashed with a V8 round
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Ah well that explains it very well. Hopefully he gets to race there one day-that and Le Mans, I think he'd do well in either, although Im sure it'd be easier to get a good seat with Audi at the Ring due to their experience with him.
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