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27 Jul 2012, 18:59 (Ref:3112304) | #26 | |||
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I thought exactly the same when I read through. I do think the Speedway Grand Prix format is what is being planned. Five heats, top 8 into semi finals, top point scorers pick there lane in turn etc. SkyTV Saturday evenings, competitors will probably have more than one car. What a load of old ********. |
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27 Jul 2012, 20:28 (Ref:3112331) | #27 | |
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Why are people harping on the FIA?? In the absence of a promotor they have been running the sport for the last 40 years or so. But apparently now from 2013 on they have sold the promotional rights to some private marketing company. It is this marketing company that proposes the changes outlined in the article.
You can get away from the FIA, but who is going to run the show then? The GRC is run out of the FIA, but people hate that too. |
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27 Jul 2012, 20:49 (Ref:3112337) | #28 | ||
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Should the FIA take care of those few amateur supercar drivers that contribute very little to the ERC as a whole? Should they hold back 'progress' and professionalism because a few hobbyists might get the raw end of the stick?? I guess the opinions vary. |
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I don't see why drivers like Kevin Proctor, Jos Jansen, Pavel Koutny are bad for the sport and holding back the pro's. Limiting talented drivers to take part because they are not part of the holy 14 is holding back. BTW Without "hobbyists" there would be only one car on the grid (Foust). |
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27 Jul 2012, 21:43 (Ref:3112358) | #31 | |
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Limited number of drivers, less races to qualify for 1 final etc, it all says one thing: tv format.
A few names with which the fans can 'identify', a couple of car brands appealing to brand-fanatics, easy to understand ( read: stupid proof) qualifying system. Instant drama, heroic winners. 30 mins of footage, 15 mins of advertising. Branding, marketplacement etc is all rather easy that way. Marketing textbook for dummys, chapters 1 to 4 I think And indeed smells (cough) of USA involvement in how to kill a sport where it would benifit in so many other ways where you would have 100+ drivers batteling for the price and have 2 broadcasts of 1 hour between events. Just my 2 eurocents. |
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28 Jul 2012, 09:50 (Ref:3112494) | #32 | ||
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Exactly nl, those were exactly my thoughts.
I fear we may have been sold down the river or at least prospectively, by the very people who have made rallycross a rather poor show in the US. There is more to sport than tv and a few 5 minute sponsors, just ask speedway or UK rallying, all really struggling at the top level for crowds and drivers. Ok ERC needs some work, but it should not be revolutionised with only one thing in mind, tv and sponsors and a few people who should know better coming up with rubbish like this |
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29 Jul 2012, 09:23 (Ref:3113106) | #34 | ||
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Those that usually do the ERC should drop it and commit to their home championships and hopefully try and get tv deals with Motors TV
Look at the French series that is better to watch im my mind on tv than erc. If the BRC could bring in more foreign drivers then that would be a bonus too |
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29 Jul 2012, 09:45 (Ref:3113115) | #35 | |
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Compared to last year the TV coverage of the French series is poor.
But yes the national series could gain from these plans. |
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29 Jul 2012, 16:11 (Ref:3113326) | #36 | ||
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29 Jul 2012, 17:00 (Ref:3113349) | #37 | |
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Besides Mad Mark did other drivers give an opinion?
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30 Jul 2012, 08:31 (Ref:3113593) | #38 | ||
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my opninion it stinks !!
all about money for a selected few and those who work there arses off to fund their motorsport get hung out to dry yes national championships will benefit but then where do you spaire to ?? £100k plus supercars doing 8 round national championships whats point in voicing opninion deal already done with no BRDA and other driver assoc. we dont have say its already sold i heard |
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30 Jul 2012, 11:45 (Ref:3113669) | #39 | ||
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Well I guess we're all going to have wait for the official annoucement before we know for sure. The FIA has form of handing things over to promoters who haven't got a clue what they are doing and make a complete mess of it. They don't seem to have learnt, which worries me that it may be a done deal already and they won't listen to fans, drivers etc. Time will tell.
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30 Jul 2012, 12:39 (Ref:3113711) | #41 | ||
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really hope that's not the case. I think this will only cause national championships to go their own way. Why have a euro legal Supercar category in your national championship, when drivers won't be able to step up and do their local European round, or dip their toe in the European championship by doing a few rounds.
I fear a plan like this will make rallycross more fragmented. |
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30 Jul 2012, 18:28 (Ref:3113877) | #42 | ||
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As the news is out there I would imagine it is, but i suppose after 33 years of spectating and competing in rallycross at home and abroad it is about time to find a new hobby and I can cross out the top item on my bucket list, that should save me some money.
Any suggestions on a new hobby gratefully received but nothing thats too physical |
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30 Jul 2012, 21:01 (Ref:3113960) | #43 | |
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On the otherhand, there's a lot that needs to be changed in FIA santioned ERC.
False start in final and you're out rule, one of the most stupid rules in sport. The name touringcars, this is a touringcar: Touringcars, rebuild FWD > RWD... wtf? Different clerk of the course on each race? Have one for all, and kick out the 'race director', his possition is crippled by the overrullings in the past anyway. CotC needs to have 2 votes in 'meeting of the stewards, give him some power during those meetings. The stewards need to be rotated over the fia sections after 3 or 4 or 5 years, now there's people who f*ck about with our sport for far to long behind the green clothed table. Say bye bye to them, greet new people with fresh ideas. And.. if they f*ck up, there needs to be a tool to get them out of the power possition they are in by majority of votes of the 'ERC drivers club' (not if 1 driver is angry over some minor rulling of course) Bring back the black flag! Now no CofC in his right mind waves one, he'll choose the B/W over it any time. Firstly before he waves the black, he'll look over his shoulder to the race director, at that man's nod of the head the CotC will wave black. Then he has to wait for the meeting of the stewards outcome if that was the right flag... There's no power in the man's hands. Give it back. Right now, even people in high power possitions advice drivers to run all laps if the black flag is out for them. New rule should read: black flagged? Stop. If not stopping, you're out for the next 2 events, no matter the outcome of an protest over the original black flag. Not slowing down under red? Same 2 events rule. You will be able to list a lot more I bet |
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I found another one.
6.4 There will be only one driver per car, no driver may compete in more than one car at an Event, and no driver may compete in more than one race in one and the same meeting. One race... as in one heat? Or as in one class? Or two cars at the same time, one remote controled? is that forbidden??? 11.9 Fuel control At any time during an Event, it must be possible for the scrutineers to take at least 3 litres of fuel as a sample. Euh... well, they are free to drive to a local gasstation and take (and pay) as much as they like, untill that tank is empty. Take a sample? of what? Where? from a drum with the label: for scrutinering samples only? from the tank in the car? Last edited by rallycrossnl; 30 Jul 2012 at 21:55. |
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The news isn't officially out there, no official press releases are there? So hopefully the story on ERC24 is leaked proposals? Formula 3 seems to have enough national series that trott round European, though I read Gerhard Berger wants them to stop. As much as I hated having two series in Britain diluting the field of cars in each. With a restriction to 16 supercars, maybe a European open series is the answer for those that don't get invited to play. Is there any news on how many rounds are planned for 2013. If its 10 again, what are they going to do, allow in just 1 Supercar driver from each country they have a round in? That leaves 4 spots for the like of tanner or TT, that don't have a home round and two wide cards. What happens to the planned huge meeting that was going to be Loheac hosting the ERC in 2013? |
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31 Jul 2012, 06:42 (Ref:3114067) | #46 | ||
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lots of rumours and lots or arguments
do people just sit back and let it happen ? i heard last night that deal was done back in january ! what happens to Ludvig supposed to be coming back next year ? to Holte to aspiring Pailliers, Peu, and me obviously i love to go to france to take the xsara home we cant do full champs but nice to have outings now and again does this mean that no new talent will come into rallycross ?? |
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31 Jul 2012, 11:37 (Ref:3114175) | #48 | ||
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And too think that one day we will look back at these as 'the good old days'
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Possibly overthinking this, but if the ERC adopts the GRC format, will they both remain seperate entities in 2013?...
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