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I wouldnt suggest so.
People spinning that it will be a miracle to see the 2015 season I think are more hoping rather than being realistic. I think the AR1 article suggested the problems were linked to ride buyers - would be interested to look closer at stats but the current driver line up must be one of the strongest since the early 00's. We have some new sponsors for 2014 and the return of JPM so plenty to look forward to whilst hopefully stabilising tv viewership. The AR1 reporting I wouldnt suggest is the most objective reports - seems highly driven on emotion & bias. By no means and I suggesting it should be positive news but by no means is it addressing the new sponsors, drivers or cars in the works say like a Racer does. |
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On time, again, complaints and criticism...always pessimism...I think this is one of the major problems in IndyCar...we saw the open wheel largest grid (Formula 1 has 22 cars, 4 of them "fake"), we saw battles, side by side, races uncertain, so many different winners, small teams able to oppose and some times defeat the biggest teams, championship uncertain until almost last lap (if not until really last lap)...but some "fans" continue to talk bad...I think it would be useful to occasionally talk about the positive things instead of always complaining...
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The problem isn't that the racing lacks excitement.
The problem isn't that drivers are uninteresting and/or without captivating stories. The problem isn't a lack of rivalries, both old and new. The problem isn't an uninspired and lackluster (or worse - nonexistent) history. The problem is that the only people who pay attention are race fans. Furthermore, we as race fans have been paying attention all along. We aren't the ones that IndyCar needs to convince, because we're already here. There are three groups that IndyCar (or any other race series that wants viewers and/or fans), and all three have to be targeted differently. In my mind, anyway. Casual race fan The casual race fan already likes motorsport. In the US, it probably means they are a NASCAR fan, since NASCAR is the 800lb gorilla. These are the fans that need to go to a race live. They need to sit in the stands, hear the revs & turbo whine, smell the race fuel, etc. They are are either going to like IndyCar or they aren't. I have some friends who are NASCAR only, and refuse to watch anything else. One uses the phrase "I don't like them go karts," so you can understand the mentality. It's this group that we, as fellow race fans (and, specifically IndyCar fans) can help grow the sport by exposing casual fans to IndyCar. My personal PSA: Take a friend to an IndyCar race, if you can. You'll help IndyCar grow. Accidental Viewer These are those who happen upon a race on TV or attend a race after winning tickets or through a sponsor affiliation. They are completely green and know nothing about racing or IndyCar. Since they don't know about racing or IndyCar at all, so they should be educated. If they learn some of the history, the technology and are able to understand enough to enjoy the exciting racing on-track, they may want to come back. Unfortunately, this group is the reason that the on-air crew has to do all the "dumbed-down" segments, so they can introduce the greenhorns to what the rest of us already know. Non Race Fan The name says it all. They aren't race fans for whatever reason. So to convert them to a race fan is difficult. Perhaps they have alleigance to some other sport (football, baseball, soccer, basketball, etc.) or they aren't into sports overall. This is the group I'm clueless about. I have no clue how to expose a non race fan in such a way that it will be appealing to them and they would show interest. Note: The opinions expressed above are mine and mine alone. |
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Interesting posts and a good discussion going on here but in order to keep the various threads relevant, I've copied posts #1545 through to #1556 from the Indycar News & Rumors thread to The Current State of IndyCar thread, where you can all carry on the discussion.
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Viso in trouble? Could explain the sudden mystery illness at Fontana.
http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2013...enezuelan.html |
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Justin Wilson leaves hospital, hope he makes a speedy recovery.
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Has anyone seen EJ Viso yet? Munoz must be looking good for that seat at Andretti.
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IndyCar will end in 2018. Anyone want to bet the over-under?
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I wont bet on a losing, but your are heading in the right direction. Even if they decided to came back to the Gold Coast , I would love for them to come back and I know the teams etc loved it out here , I think the reunification of Champ Car/Irl didnt capture the hearts and soul of Americans over the past few years and the series is lacking.
Ryan Briscoe who was out here for the GC600 , said the Americans and others want to come back, but does IRL, thats the question. CART , Champ , Irl where once an alternative to Bernies circus, but as much as I liked it, and couldnt wait for the trip to Aust, I feel it has lost is mojo, and will die a slow death. thats just my thoughts |
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I see them waiting it out for 2015 and trying to ride the coattails of the NBC NASCAR deal.
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