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Old 11 Feb 2014, 09:46 (Ref:3366837)   #136
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I think they just put it on last years car to take a nice picture. No way that they've got all there test cars stickered up.
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Old 11 Feb 2014, 09:52 (Ref:3366841)   #137
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I think they just put it on last years car to take a nice picture. No way that they've got all there test cars stickered up.
I have to agree with you.
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Old 11 Feb 2014, 10:16 (Ref:3366851)   #138
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I think those little white lines are reflections of lights at the roof of that workshop/pitbox
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Old 11 Feb 2014, 15:16 (Ref:3366942)   #139
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Photo looks like the right front fender of a TS030 with the ACO fuel flow restrictor device on it to show what the device is supposed to look like.

Only thing that could cause me to rule out it being a TS030 (which is probably is) is the lack of a mirror on the pontoon fender section.
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Old 11 Feb 2014, 15:23 (Ref:3366949)   #140
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The mirror is a bit further back than that.
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Old 11 Feb 2014, 21:08 (Ref:3367083)   #141
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It may be the TS040, thered be no reason to hide the car if it was last year's. They confirmed the livery would be similar to last year's. Sebastian Buemi tweeted that he would be testing in a few days.

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Old 11 Feb 2014, 21:56 (Ref:3367112)   #142
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I am sure that Toyota can do better than tease us with a shot of what is basically a standard part sitting on a TS030 front fender (so it seems...). Show us an actual shot of the new car. Even a lowres picture will suffice.
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Old 12 Feb 2014, 03:10 (Ref:3367189)   #143
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I suggest you go back to page 7. They must have a solution they are secretive about. Obviously so if they have shown one photo from the front, in the dark.
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Old 12 Feb 2014, 05:37 (Ref:3367210)   #144
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I suggest you go back to page 7. They must have a solution they are secretive about. Obviously so if they have shown one photo from the front, in the dark.
Or they simply have "nothing" dramatic to show ? Honestly, it's a bit of wishful thinking to assume that Toyota necessarily have a "secret weapon" to hide because of the limited number of TS040 shots available at this hour. Porsche and Audi have already finalized their respective concepts (which we have not seen in their final form) and they are unlikely to change avenues at such a late development stage.

As far as Toyota are concerned, I have learned to keep my level of expectation low.
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Or they simply have "nothing" dramatic to show ? Honestly, it's a bit of wishful thinking to assume that Toyota necessarily have a "secret weapon" to hide because of the limited number of TS040 shots available at this hour. Porsche and Audi have already finalized their respective concepts (which we have not seen in their final form) and they are unlikely to change avenues at such a late development stage.

As far as Toyota are concerned, I have learned to keep my level of expectation low.
Right. Like the endplate wing extensions? Or like the teeth shaped front diveplanes? Those aren't items youd like to keep secret? I think youre being a bit pessimistic, tbh. I said a solution they dont want other teams to see, not a "secret weapon". You see about Porsche running camo on their car to hide its lines. The good thing about Toyota is they aren't extravagant or braggarts. Testing things in secret is something more than just they do. Matter of fact, they even mentioned the reasons on their european blog for the secretism- http://blog.toyota.eu/2014/01/30/int...-ts040-hybrid/
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Road-relevant it may be, but don’t expect to see much of the TS040 HYBRID in the next few weeks. With all LMP1 manufacturers pushing to the limit to find additional performance, TOYOTA Racing is taking no chances and will be keeping the TS040 HYBRID under wraps until the official WEC test at the end of March.

Please be patient, we all hope the wait will be worthwhile!
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Right. Like the endplate wing extensions? Or like the teeth shaped front diveplanes? Those aren't items youd like to keep secret? I think youre being a bit pessimistic, tbh. I said a solution they dont want other teams to see, not a "secret weapon". You see about Porsche running camo on their car to hide its lines. The good thing about Toyota is they aren't extravagant or braggarts. Testing things in secret is something more than just they do. Matter of fact, they even mentioned the reasons on their european blog for the secretism- http://blog.toyota.eu/2014/01/30/int...-ts040-hybrid/
I am not pessimistic, just realistic.

Besides, with the emphasis in 2014 shifting more towards the development of an efficient engine + ERS package, I sincerely doubt that being secretive about the exterior design of the TS040 will have much impact. Do you honestly believe that Porsche and Audi are waiting to see Toyota's design to immediately try to copy it ? It's too late for that.

Furthermore, Porsche and Audi have been "showcasing" their initial interpretations of the new rules, but we have yet to have a full picture and understanding of what sits underneath the skin. You can be "secretive" even by showing a few things to the public. In any event, both Porsche and Audi have yet to show their final iterations of the new LMP1 contenders.

IMHO, Toyota have absolutely nothing to gain by being overly secretive, especially at such a late stage of the development.
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I am not pessimistic, just realistic.

Besides, with the emphasis in 2014 shifting more towards the development of an efficient engine + ERS package, I sincerely doubt that being secretive about the exterior design of the TS040 will have much impact. Do you honestly believe that Porsche and Audi are waiting to see Toyota's design to immediately try to copy it ? It's too late for that.

Furthermore, Porsche and Audi have been "showcasing" their initial interpretations of the new rules, but we have yet to have a full picture and understanding of what sits underneath the skin. You can be "secretive" even by showing a few things to the public. In any event, both Porsche and Audi have yet to show their final iterations of the new LMP1 contenders.

IMHO, Toyota have absolutely nothing to gain by being overly secretive, especially at such a late stage of the development.
I have to agree with this, Audi and Porsche started to develope and test their new cars months ago. It would not be however much usefull and smart to stop now and start a new development for parts "copied" from toyota. IMHO toyota doesn't show anything, because the car is still in early development stage
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Old 12 Feb 2014, 12:44 (Ref:3367361)   #148
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I also agree... and more since i suspect the TS040 will resemble the TS030 much more than the 2014 R18 resembled the 2013 R18.

I suspect most of changes will be under the skin... the fact of 2 kinetic ERSs and then the engine that must be quite revised to cope with less fuel. Because for a "throttled" engine less fuel has more significant impact than for a "throttle-less" that can play well with lean mixtures.

And this aspect of engine most probably we wouldn't be able to tell any differences even if Toyota showed under the skin.
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Toyota never even dare to try a diesel in it's passenger cars
That i have to disagree, iirc Toyota was the first constructor to reach 170hp with a 2L class turbodiesel commom rail... years ago!... (passenger cars)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis

No!.. they have expertize alright... the problem is politics... the problem is always politics...

(at least in europe they also sell other very good small passenger cars on diesel (yaris i think)... don't know all the lines of toyota... but think diesel options is present in most of them)

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That i have to disagree, iirc Toyota was the first constructor to reach 170hp with a 2L class turbodiesel commom rail... years ago!... (passenger cars)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis

No!.. they have expertize alright... the problem is politics... the problem is always politics...

(at least in europe they also sell other very good small passenger cars on diesel (yaris i think)... don't know all the lines of toyota... but think diesel options is present in most of them)

Isn't Toyota Diesels Equipped with BMW engines?
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