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Old 3 Feb 2014, 23:19 (Ref:3363855)   #901
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Old 3 Feb 2014, 23:42 (Ref:3363860)   #902
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I was going to ask what has that to do with sportscars, but maybe little bit

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Old 7 Mar 2014, 10:02 (Ref:3376076)   #903
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Le Mans 1971, in French, but pictures talk by themselves.
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Old 7 Mar 2014, 10:51 (Ref:3376085)   #904
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Old 9 Mar 2014, 11:29 (Ref:3376681)   #907
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Old 9 Mar 2014, 21:07 (Ref:3376824)   #908
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FIA GT 1997, Helsinki, oh the noise.

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Old 9 Mar 2014, 21:18 (Ref:3376830)   #909
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FIA GT 1997, Helsinki, oh the noise.

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Great video! if we think that actual racing cars have almost all kind of electronic help, power steering, AP racing or brembo state of art brakes, semiautomatic gearbox, super aero and super tyres. I just try to image how could it be for a driver to race with a beast like the mclaren f1 gtr or the CLK... over 600hp to control without TCS, no ABS, manual gearbox, poor aero and poor tyres quality (compared to nowadays). The driving skill level was simply insane.
Is easy enough to understand why "wannabe pro drivers" like enzo ide, von taxis and a lot others are able to mark performances similiar to a real pro driver.
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Old 9 Mar 2014, 21:26 (Ref:3376833)   #910
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Great video! if we think that actual racing cars have almost all kind of electronic help, power steering, AP racing or brembo state of art brakes, semiautomatic gearbox, super aero and super tyres. I just try to image how could it be for a driver to race with a beast like the mclaren f1 gtr or the CLK... over 600hp to control without TCS, no ABS, manual gearbox, poor aero and poor tyres quality (compared to nowadays). The driving skill level was simply insane.
Is easy enough to understand why "wannabe pro drivers" like enzo ide, von taxis and a lot others are able to mark performances similiar to a real pro driver.
I dont belive any of those GT1 cars had a Manual 'Box and I am pretty confident that those cars had more "liberal" aero than today's cars, and I agree, they tires today are massively better
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Old 9 Mar 2014, 21:54 (Ref:3376840)   #911
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I dont belive any of those GT1 cars had a Manual 'Box and I am pretty confident that those cars had more "liberal" aero than today's cars, and I agree, they tires today are massively better
Late '90 GT1 had sequential gear box, is not a "full" manual, you're right, but drivers had to use clutch everytime during changing or shifting! it was a lot more stressfull than actual GTE/GT3 cars where drivers must to use clutch only to restart after a pit stop and to insert R. Don't forget also that nowadays the stick has basicly disappearead and with paddles, drivers never move arms from the steering wheel. About aero, well, the CLK and the 911 GT1 were not less than true prototypes, but we can't compare the old aero quality and downforce amount with the actual racing cars.

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Old 9 Mar 2014, 22:32 (Ref:3376849)   #912
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After watching FIA GT from that era and seeing how tail happy the Mercedes were, they must've been a handful to drive flat out, whatever gearbox they were using.

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Old 9 Mar 2014, 22:42 (Ref:3376856)   #913
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SMG gearbox worked on the same principals as motorcycle gearboxes going all the way back to the Peugeot 905 in 1993. Usually, it was pull the lever back for up shifts, push forward for downshifts, aside from the McLaren F1, which was "backward" from that.

Personally, I see stick SMG gearboxes as an unhappy comprise--with paddles, you can keep both hands on the wheel and with a H pattern manual, you could skip gears if the gearbox was dodgy or to suit driving tactics.
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Old 10 Mar 2014, 12:23 (Ref:3377062)   #914
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If late 90s GTs looked hard to drive, why not go back 10 years... Group C cars. And those were probably pretty pleasant ones to drive compared to 917... and so on.

But I think in the past 10 years or so a new level of "looks too easy" has been reached. When I watch onboards from LMPs or GTLM/Es, the word that comes to mind is: uninspiring. Even when compared to early 2000s, there is a big difference (e.g. this). I guess it is a combination of many things, cars being generally better handling, more advanced powersteering making it look like steering requires no effort at all, electronics and sadly traction control. It has become hard to even tell when the driver is really pushing.

I don't think stick shifting adds really that much. For example this onboard from is very exciting, the amount steering action and continuous corrections easily compensate.
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Old 10 Mar 2014, 22:01 (Ref:3377228)   #915
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Carbotanium, the only time drivers needed to use clutch back then was starting and on downshifts, the box flat shifted on the upshift.

I think the fact cars look easy to drive is a combination of things, not the least sports biosciences, look at how fit and strong pro drivers today are compared to those years ago....
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Old 11 Mar 2014, 07:24 (Ref:3377323)   #916
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It shows how much motorsport has changed over the last 15-20 years that they would even consider holding a round of an FIA World Championship in Finland, a European country made up predominantly of trees with a small population and no car manufacturer. Nowadays unless you sit on top of an enormous quantity of oil, can claim you are a growing market or are ruled by some despot with deep pockets you don't stand a chance, of course. For that reason alone, I like that video. Its old school in its own way!
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It shows how much motorsport has changed over the last 15-20 years that they would even consider holding a round of an FIA World Championship in Finland?
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Apologies for continuing off topic, but putting my pedants hat on for a minute, while in the 90s Finland couldn't boast a domestic manufacturer of their own, Valmet built Saabs for the world market from the late 60s, and all Porsche Boxster and Cayman models were produced there until 2011. Vauxhall / Opel Calibra, also sundry Talbots and Ladas, and since last year the Mercedes A Class....

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Carbotanium, the only time drivers needed to use clutch back then was starting and on downshifts, the box flat shifted on the upshift.

I think the fact cars look easy to drive is a combination of things, not the least sports biosciences, look at how fit and strong pro drivers today are compared to those years ago....
In the last generation of GT1 cars (DBR9, C6R, S7R, MC12 and on) drivers had to use clutch only during downshifts, I guess we all know that, but I remeber a video about the mclaren f1 gtr where the driver clearly was using the clutch to upshift (after the tetre rouge around 0:54).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBEngMWNZe4

Maybe more recent cars like CLK and 911 GT1 had a more advanced gearbox, this I don't know, but surely that kind of driving was a lot stressfull than now, where drivers don't need to use clutch at all (if not to restart or to use R).
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In the last generation of GT1 cars (DBR9, C6R, S7R, MC12 and on) drivers had to use clutch only during downshifts, I guess we all know that, but I remeber a video about the mclaren f1 gtr where the driver clearly was using the clutch to upshift (after the tetre rouge around 0:54).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBEngMWNZe4

Maybe more recent cars like CLK and 911 GT1 had a more advanced gearbox, this I don't know, but surely that kind of driving was a lot stressfull than now, where drivers don't need to use clutch at all (if not to restart or to use R).
that's a very ancient car.

I Belive the CLK and the 911 had the sequential gearbox (upshift without clutch) as did the long tail F1 GTR
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Goodness me, someone at Magnus Racing had fun here.

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