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Sort of explain's IMSA's love affair with LMPC. They think having any cars on the track for the sake having cars out there makes a difference. They give this category too much respect when they should be telling the team owners to look for another class to go to. People don't' buy tickets for them.
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What's the percentage of spectator ticket sales to participant fees, etc? i.e., How possible would it be for WTUSCCTUDORISCNAECLMNOP to survive if spectator tickets were no offered? From the outside it looks as if there should be a balance between getting people through the gate and making sure your competitors are happy to continue spending cubic dollars. The specness factor (in whatever form) communicates strongly that mgmt is catering more to the teams at the expense of getting people through the gates. What would theoretically happen if the series went full "we only care about teams"? Quote:
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That works for PC but not for GTD or GTLM for example - charging a big fee to allow an already existing make to enter is not a favor to the entrants or spectators and increases the cost to compete, only lining the pockets of the sanctioning body and discouraging variety. Whatever happened to that motto "For the Fans"? Haven't heard that for a while. |
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Went away during ALMS...
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It became a running joke...
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11 Aug 2015, 14:47 (Ref:3565336) | #1281 | |
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Sorry, but WEC, Blancpain, ELMS etc are booming. If managed correctly then variety works well. If NASCAR needs to cut variety to keep the costs down then it just means its badly managed. But we already knew that anyway.
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Costs are always a major concern, when there is an absence of value.
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Though WEC and ELMS are on the horizon of experiencing some of this cost cutting with the less variation P2 class coming in the next few years. |
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I don't have an opinion it will work or not, except that we're told variation in the class is being reduced as a cost cutting measure. May work, may not.
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11 Aug 2015, 19:21 (Ref:3565389) | #1288 | |
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In other news - Memo Gidley update:
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/12019...es-in-recovery Sounds like the guy's gone thru hell, fortunately doing better now, hope we'll seem him back at the race track one day (but not necessarily as a driver)! |
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11 Aug 2015, 20:56 (Ref:3565409) | #1289 | |
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One thing Grand-Am never understood was that the cars are the stars. People WANT to see the different machinery. If not, they'd just watch NASCAR with fake bodies on tube-framed chassis.
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That isn't just America but the whole world. Of course majority are gonna be interested in personalities and grand entities.
BullMan should've said 'sportscar fan base', not general 'people'. If the correct answer for making sportscar racing popular was making the drivers the bigger stars and cars technologically uninteresting and underwhelming stockcar-sportscar variants for the effect of "wheel-banging close racing", Grand-Am would have won the popularity battle over ALMS. Didn't. Last edited by Deleted; 12 Aug 2015 at 02:29. |
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If the ultimate aim is to appeal to the same people, then it may fail. Given NASCAR has so many events (sometimes 3 per weekend), it is hard to ask those people to then give up another few hours of their weekend to go watch a sports car race.
However there IS a market for people who want to see amazing cars. And that isn't really catered to very well in America right now. The same people exist in Europe, and it makes WEC, Le Mans and Blancpain great series. Different markets are fine. TUSCC will never match the popularity of NASCAR. But if it tries to, it might end up please nobody. |
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Bingo; it's different and needs to emphasise the differences. Otherwise it's pointless. It needs a message of "these are amazing, exotic, advanced cars", instead of trying the same approach as NASCAR.
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I'm a NASCAR fan who watches Sportscar, but I watch it for a different experience. If Sportscars was like NASCAR, why would I watch it?
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12 Aug 2015, 19:56 (Ref:3565642) | #1297 | |
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because Nascar!
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I don't think they know (or care to have it) any other way. And the leftover old IMSA gang have been brainwashed to think the same, for example Elkins's sign language transformed quite a bit during the last few years of his service
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The "new" IMSA series is another matter. There's a very noticeable paradigm shift from the ALMS' "For the Fans" motto to the "new" IMSA's "Follow Us". |
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