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20 Apr 2017, 13:53 (Ref:3727971) | #1 | ||
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Rounds 7, 8, 9 & Test Day at Thruxton, 2017
Jeff Smith fastest in test earlier today.
http://www.btcc.net/2017/04/20/smith-tops-first-session-at-thruxton/ Front Dunlop stickers on every car will be replaced by #BillyWhizz on race day - great to see. http://www.btcc.net/2017/04/20/billywhizz-message-of-support-from-the-btcc/ Proper gravel trap at Church also, nice video on BTCC's Twitter. Last edited by luckn002; 20 Apr 2017 at 14:02. |
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20 Apr 2017, 15:02 (Ref:3727984) | #2 | |
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Missing suspects.
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20 Apr 2017, 19:32 (Ref:3728016) | #3 | ||
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Theory on Subaru's differing pace:
Mr Gow decided to put Team BMR in their place after a number of outspoken events last year and equalised their cars COG. Obviously after Brands BMR were off the pace but kept quiet and didn't throw their toys out of the pram in public. So Mr Gow, however satisfied he was with seeing JP midfield and subdued, realises that Subaru and JP at the back isn't good for the series or viewing figures so he offers BMR a lifeline of a small boost increase on 1 car to see what difference it has in comparison to the others. This backfires when Sutton puts the boosted car on pole and looks too obvious so Mr Gow gets involved in the scrutineering and finds a boost discrepancy to put Sutton at the back but if BMR play the game and don't complain they can have a smidgen less boost still for the races. Sutton then moves forward whilst JP stays midfield. Probably still a smidgen too much boost, not knocking Sutton's talent, but if Mr Gow now allows a small boost advantage to be applied to all the Subarus for Thruxton we can expect JP to be back at the sharp end again. Sent from my R7plusf using Tapatalk |
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Sounds like par for the BTCC
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The fact that there might even be a hint of truth to that is why I can't bring myself to watch the BTCC anymore. Give me 12 cars like 2000 or 2005 over the shenanigans of the "modern" BTCC.
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The Subaru advantage has been nullified by a CoG/Height calculation that means the car is on par with other NGTC models with limited development. Plato has little experience with pushing a lesser-developed NGTC car, having been used to a more developed position in the past. Sutton is used to extracting the most from a car, whereas Plato is more used to operating with better developed machinery. Therefore, Sutton knew how to get the most out of the weekend, whereas Plato (by his own admission in the Adrian Flux blog) couldn't out-handle the back half of the pack. 'the car’s not working as well, or as balanced, as it used to. It’s very frustrating.[...]Everybody’s got relatively good corner speed and there’s a rhythm and a momentum to the race. If you’re near the back it all stops in the corners and our performance is all in the corners. “He [Sutton]drove a great race one and then had the benefit of that better grid position and the softer tyres."' I mean come on - if you're justifying the fact that your teammate outperformed you based on their grid position for the later races, it looks a bit stupid if they were 31st on the grid for R1 and you were the highest placed Subaru in 15th!!!! Sent from my ZX81 using BASIC |
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20 Apr 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3728058) | #9 | ||
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strange they didn't bother doing the test day at Thruxton. if they are really on the back foot then why aren't they development testing? maybe they have some mechanical or money issues. Last edited by touring fan01; 20 Apr 2017 at 23:09. |
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21 Apr 2017, 06:25 (Ref:3728111) | #10 | |
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Didn't BMR also miss Thruxton last year because of those fires in the engine bay? Or at least they pulled out early from the event, so they lost valuable data from race conditions.
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The fact that I no longer watch a procession every other Sunday during the season apart from a few artificially manufactured passes (read DRS inspired), does not mean that I don't follow the sport. And having followed what is happening within the sport, it surely gives me and others like me the right to express our opinions on a forum. That said, however, that freedom does not give anyone the right to apportion blame for an incident if they have not seen it, either live or on the TV. |
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21 Apr 2017, 08:55 (Ref:3728128) | #13 | ||
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I tuned out from the BTCC during the BTC years of 2001 - 2006 as I really wasn't a fan of the cars. I got back into it once S2000 came in and started to attend races again, so from that point of view, my interest in the series has come and gone a little over the years. I'm not a **huge** fan of the current cars, but what keeps me attending the races is the spectacle and racing itself rather than the "cars".
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21 Apr 2017, 09:54 (Ref:3728138) | #14 | ||
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A technical failure in Race 1, contact-induced puncture in Race 2, back of the grid for Race 3 for JP, FYI. |
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I think it entirely depends on what you are expressing an opinion on - if it is about how the sport is being run, or the results that are to be found in the official account of proceedings then that is one thing. If it is about actions on track, or connected to actually watching coverage, then from a position of not watching the championship makes it difficult to justify any formed opinion. |
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I've usually been too busy competing myself (at a very low level) to see much of it anyway, but the aspect of show over substance has really put me off. This isn't an uncommon opinion. BTCC is popular as it has become the reality TV of motorsport. Easy to follow, on the surface entertaining, but ultimately trash. In the 90s the series became popular due to the calibre of the participants and the standard of the cars. BTCC is an entertainment now, almost in the same way as WWE. There's nothing wrong with that. If that is what you are looking for then great. I didn't even mind the success ballast that came in about 20 years ago, as did not affect the validity of the sporting contest. It crossed the line when it was decided to pursue the GT3 model of all cars being balanced and equal. When different cars win depending on whose had the best BOP given to them, that's when I lose interest. Give me a season like 2001 where one team wins 25 races over the fakery we suffer these days. I used to travel the country to see this series, from Knockhill, Mondello Park to Brands Hatch, and being based in the North of England, that was a lot of travelling and expense. I'm just so sad that the state of racing is such that I'm not even that interested in going to be local round anymore. But these things don't last forever, there will be a change at some point, just it is impossible to see when. But I do look forward to it. In the meantime I'll enjoy other series. |
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Anyway.......
For the many thousands who do watch and enjoy the BTCC and aren't bogged down by generational baggage, who's looking forward to Thruxton?! Nice to see improvements to the outside of the Chruch corner. Great to see the series supporting Billy in a visible way. Could Jeff Smtih carry the pace from testing into the race weekend? Will the new Dunlop tyre reduce the number of punctures? Where are MG testing before the event? Plenty to discuss, you know, about Thruxton. |
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Jeff Smith seems to do well when he's got a race winning team mate to learn, as he did with AJ and now does with Goff, so who knows how well he will go
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Not sure, but WSR feel they have learnt a lot about the tyre from the test.
I wonder how much teams push their setup during testing, to be close to the race conditions as possible including use of kerbs etc.? Across the Hondas there seems to be plenty of setup knowledge that put them into the top 4 positions - can they exploit this on raceday, or have others been sandbagging a bit? |
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Probably Neal with no weight, Shedden and I would say Goff who seems to have more race pace than Smith. The Subaru's may struggle - by missing yesterday's test they'll have limited set-up information about the car and track? I hope we see the VWs back on form - strong circuit and feel both Epps and Hill were unlucky. Epps' crash at Donington must've been much harder than it looked from TV as he had to miss the test due to damage. Also a Focus won here last year so the pressures on Mat Jackson to be back in the mix. |
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I can see another strong Mercedes weekend too going on past form. The MG's were P4 and P5, so will have some setup data to take into the race despite missing the test. The leading Subaru was Turks in P13, with Plato as far back as P21 nearly 1.5s off pole - so it doesn't look promising on that score. Have the Subarus had any running at Thruxton since Qualy in 2016? |
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From Dan Lloyd's Twitter: "Productive Friday getting ready for a busy week away next week. Looking forward to testing at Croft on Tuesday! Lots to work on for Thruxton"
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