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11 Jun 2017, 03:43 (Ref:3740117) | #26 | ||
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That is all sorts of crazy
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11 Jun 2017, 03:43 (Ref:3740118) | #27 | ||
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Pretty exciting train wreck of a race. Knew another big wreck was coming but I couldn't stop watching. Hope it stays yellow and they just end this nonsense.
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11 Jun 2017, 03:44 (Ref:3740119) | #28 | ||
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This race is really difficult for me to watch it looks like everybody's going to die on every corner. I don't like single-seaters at Texas. But that said this was a very lucky wreck and nobody got hurt
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11 Jun 2017, 03:45 (Ref:3740120) | #29 | ||
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Down to seven cars on the lead lap crazy race
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11 Jun 2017, 03:46 (Ref:3740121) | #30 | ||
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It's far more nerve racking than Indy with far less of a prize. Always hard to watch and IndyCar needs to get off the high banks.
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11 Jun 2017, 03:50 (Ref:3740122) | #31 | ||
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Dang....sadly I watch Dixon again and he crashes..
I'm some sort of jinx on Kiwi racers. |
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11 Jun 2017, 03:50 (Ref:3740123) | #32 | ||
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Congrats to Will Power. He kept his nerve during those 10 laps before the final FCY. I don't like seeing races end under caution but in this case it was the right decision. That was not good for the blood pressure.
You have to feel really sorry for Dale Coyne, the bad luck is just relentless. |
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11 Jun 2017, 13:17 (Ref:3740237) | #33 | ||
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11 Jun 2017, 13:27 (Ref:3740241) | #34 | |
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I watched the race as a replay this morning and basically the latter part of the race was a pointless crash fest.
It made me to think should IndyCar run at high banked SMI speedways at all. Atlanta and Charlotte were dropped off a long time ago with Texas as last of the three. |
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11 Jun 2017, 13:35 (Ref:3740245) | #35 | ||
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11 Jun 2017, 14:04 (Ref:3740256) | #36 | ||
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1 Will Power, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 2h32m31.0118s 2 Tony Kanaan, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. 0.1978s 3 Simon Pagenaud, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 0.3740s 4 Graham Rahal, Rahal Letterman Lanigan. Dallara/Honda. 0.8112s 5 Gabby Chaves, Harding Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 1.8984s 6 Marco Andretti, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. 4.1632s 7 Conor Daly, AJ Foyt Enterprises. Dallara/Chevrolet. 1 Lap 8 Max Chilton, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. 3 Laps 9 Scott Dixon, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. Contact 10 Takuma Sato, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. Contact 11 Ed Carpenter, Ed Carpenter Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. Contact 12 J.R. Hildebrand, Ed Carpenter Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 33 Laps 13 Josef Newgarden, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. Contact 14 James Hinchcliffe, Schmidt Peterson Motorsports. Dallara/Honda. Contact 15 Mikhail Aleshin, Schmidt Peterson Motorsports. Dallara/Honda. Contact 16 Tristan Vautier, Dale Coyne Racing. Dallara/Honda. Contact 17 Ed Jones, Dale Coyne Racing. Dallara/Honda. Contact 18 Carlos Munoz, AJ Foyt Enterprises. Dallara/Chevrolet. Contact 19 Ryan Hunter-Reay, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. Contact 20 Helio Castroneves, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. Contact 21 Charlie Kimball, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. Mechanical 22 Alexander Rossi, Andretti Herta. Dallara/Honda. Contact |
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11 Jun 2017, 14:08 (Ref:3740258) | #37 | |
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Well, that was a mess. At least nobody was hurt, but that's some big bills for some of the smaller teams.
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11 Jun 2017, 14:27 (Ref:3740269) | #38 | ||
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The DW-12 has a completely different aero configuration from its predecessor and since its introduction in 2012, the pack racing that was so much a feature of oval racing with the Dallara-IR-05, has diminished.
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11 Jun 2017, 14:42 (Ref:3740271) | #39 | ||
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Diminished? Last night being an anomaly? Indy was a little packy, too.
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11 Jun 2017, 15:05 (Ref:3740275) | #40 | ||
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A good stiff time penalty for sustained three wide formation racin' at Texas. Maybe that's something they should look at it.
I enjoyed alot of the race but, yeah, it was very messy, far too messy in parts. I was kinda embarrassed knowing Alonso was watching it. And grimy amused that Kanaan survived in a sassy second place despite all the sidelined drivers he tangled with. I bet Alonso made a private commitment, looking at all the wrecked smoldering cars, never to race at Texas. |
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I think a major factor is the greater parity between Chevy and Honda. Last year Chevy dominated so much, Honda were allowed to make improvements to their aero-kits during the season, plus there will have been further development with the engine. The result is Honda have definitely caught up with Chevy and looking at their performance this year, I think have the better overall package. I therefore think that accounts a lot for the field being so bunched last night. Also I don't think the mandatory tyre stops helped. All they succeeded in doing, was produce a series of 30 lap sprint races, which didn't let the field gradually spread out and where drivers were going hell for leather, in order to get the best track position before the next mandatory stop was called. |
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11 Jun 2017, 15:50 (Ref:3740282) | #42 | |||
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Over the last few years, races on longer speedways have resulted in bunched racing. Maybe not "packs" as bad as last night, and the stops didn't help, but that wasn't the main factor in keeping them packed up. I think you hit the nail on the head on how they stayed so close for so long, which makes it extremely difficult to avoid incidents. Throw in tire issues like they've never raced at Texas before, complete lack of proper track cleaning like I've not seen in years and some very suspect race craft by some very experienced drivers, it was a complete $hit show. I've hated this type of motor racing in both stockcars and open wheels for years. It's a recipe for disaster and last night certainly was. |
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11 Jun 2017, 16:35 (Ref:3740289) | #43 | |||
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The track cleaning was poor. They even threw the 4th FCY, for that very purpose. Agreed, it was a recipe for disaster, especially for Dale Coyne and Ed Carpenter, who lost both cars. However, it was exciting stuff to watch and there in lies the rub. |
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11 Jun 2017, 16:45 (Ref:3740292) | #44 | |||
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This was like plate racing. White knuckles, followed by lots of totaled machines. It's lost it's appeal, imho. |
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12 Jun 2017, 05:43 (Ref:3740408) | #45 | |||
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Texas has been good for many many years now. Resurfacing, tyre issue and the aero all contributed to last nights show. Plenty of lessons to learn but no need for any knee jerk reactions like dropping Texas and 1.5 mile ovals |
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12 Jun 2017, 12:30 (Ref:3740496) | #46 | |||
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And it's hardly a knee jerk reaction if you've been saying it for 15 years and in this forum quite often, which I have. Last edited by fieldodreams79; 12 Jun 2017 at 12:41. |
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13 Jun 2017, 01:35 (Ref:3740717) | #47 | |||
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2014 as an example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFokCCfUU2Y Justin Wilson and Helio's wins in 2012 and 2013 were also a testament of how Texas is run in non pack formation. |
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13 Jun 2017, 02:20 (Ref:3740723) | #48 | |||
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I don't like it and haven't for some time. If aero packages and more wear on the new surface can break it up next year that's better, but I don't think it's worth the risk anymore to race on tracks essentially left over from IRL. However, it is the last 1.5 mile high banked oval left, so maybe 1 batshit crazy high speed, high bank dicey race is okay. |
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Where does Indianapolis fit into this equation? Or Iowa for that matter? If the issue or concern is racing in close proximity then I suggest its time to look at a different sport - for this is unavoidable and goes against the very essence of auto racing. |
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And I'll just not watch the nonsense I watched Saturday night. Which that's what it was. Nonsense. |
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