[WEC] Toyota LMP1 Discussion

[Articus]

The irony is that Toyota have done absolutely nothing wrong. I don't see why it woulb be bad PR for Toyota. Buemi is the one breaking the contract.

[chernaudi]

IMO, screw Formula E. As much as some people (cough, Elon Musk) think that the ICE is evil, FE shows the problems with electric cars (performance and range). Even the Audi E-tron electric cars have only about a 300 mile range before they need recharged.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

IMO, screw Formula E. As much as some people (cough, Elon Musk) think that the ICE is evil, FE shows the problems with electric cars (performance and range). Even the Audi E-tron electric cars have only about a 300 mile range before they need recharged.

So because the average commuter goes under 75 miles a day a 300 mile range shows what?? Other than you have NO idea what cars are actual used for in real life but have the pipe dream that everyone wants a huge engine and power just for the daily driving. But I guess they should have unlimited range, hyper car performance and be fueled by rainbows and unicorn farts before you'd think it is a viable option for the VAST majority of people who couldn't care any less how their vehicle is powered. And honestly most would be better off with a no maintenance vehicle.

[AoB Special Stage]

Can we keep this tired argument somewhere else? This is about Buemi's awkward double title contention.

[chernaudi]

Well, maybe he should've thought of that when the ACO and FIA wouldn't change the date conflict.

[TF110]

Wasn't there a conflict last year (season)? Were biased here so the wec takes precedence. I would like to think that the drivers are the same. At least Buemi said before that the wec was his first choice.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by TF110

Wasn't there a conflict last year (season)? Were biased here so the wec takes precedence. I would like to think that the drivers are the same. At least Buemi said before that the wec was his first choice.

There was not.

Further, the world championship is a lot more likely in FE than WEC at this point.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

There was not.

Further, the world championship is a lot more likely in FE than WEC at this point.

The #8 is not far behind the #2. And there is seemingly more in the car than what we've seen so far. I think it will be a good shot for them to take the drivers title.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by TF110

The #8 is not far behind the #2. And there is seemingly more in the car than what we've seen so far. I think it will be a good shot for them to take the drivers title.

Still not 28 point lead with four rounds left to Seb's favor. And the fear of how much Porsche will get out of their N-Ring-debuting sprint package.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Still not 28 point lead with four rounds left to Seb's favor. And the fear of how much Porsche will get out of their N-Ring-debuting sprint package.

Porsche need something special because this year's Toyota has record setting pace. Lot of us thought their LM package was going to be the best or just as fast as Toyota because they were focused on it and it was competitive against the hd Toyota. We saw how that turned out at Le Mans in terms of pace. I think it will be close. But if you're running both series, it's been shown before that the factory lmp1 ride comes first.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by TF110

Porsche need something special because this year's Toyota has record setting pace. Lot of us thought their LM package was going to be the best or just as fast as Toyota because they were focused on it and it was competitive against the hd Toyota. We saw how that turned out at Le Mans in terms of pace. I think it will be close. But if you're running both series, it's been shown before that the factory lmp1 ride comes first.

On the flip side, Porsche's had several more months and more data with which to develop their HD package, while Toyota has to revert to their 'old' HD package.

[TF110]

True. But I don't know if Porsche can copy the sidepod flow through idea or what they feel is the 'double diffuser'. Seems like that is a big factor in Toyotas speed. On top of that, we've seen in the past that it takes a while for teams to get on top of their new package. That's probably another reason why Porsche chose to run the LM kit in the first two rounds so that they understood it better in terms of setup for Le Mans.

[Japanese Samurai]

Annual special edition of Motor Fan Illustrated magazine is out.
"LM24 and WEC Technology details 2017"
http://www.as-books.jp/books/info.php?no=MFS20170710

Full page preview
http://www.as-books.jp/books/preview.php?no=5020

You can also buy the Kindle edition at Amazon Japan.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4779633273/

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Annual special edition of Motor Fan Illustrated magazine is out.
"LM24 and WEC Technology details 2017"
http://www.as-books.jp/books/info.php?no=MFS20170710

Full page preview
http://www.as-books.jp/books/preview.php?no=5020

You can also buy the Kindle edition at Amazon Japan.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4779633273/

Do you plan on purchasing this issue? Looks like they have a good amount of details on the Toyota. Shame I can't read the print

[Victor_RO]

Logistical reasons scuppered the combined weekend plan for Buemi, so he's doing the WEC round with Pierre Gasly standing in for him at the FE races.

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by TF110

Do you plan on purchasing this issue? Looks like they have a good amount of details on the Toyota. Shame I can't read the print

I'll buy it tomorrow.
By the way, the magazine seems to report that TS050 engine has a pre combustion chamber.

[Scorchess]

That's interesting, would love to know more about that. If it is for example the same thing F1 engines seem to have these days.

[Flo aus N]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

I'll buy it tomorrow.
By the way, the magazine seems to report that TS050 engine has a pre combustion chamber.

The german racingblog.de had it in their preview to Le Mans, that Toyota is using a pre combustion chamber with a corresponding burning process. So does Porsche since 2015 (at least).

[TF110]

Didn't know that Porsche or Toyota was running that. Thanks for the info guys. Looking forward to your transitions, Samurai! Btw, here's the team's preview for Nurburgring

[Japanese Samurai]

MFi magazine TS050 report
Hisatake Murata says that they changed combustion system this year.
he says that they achieved supercharging lean burn of λ1.5-1.8.

Kota Sera says that pre combustion chamber is Toyota's breakthrough technology.
But his expression is ambiguous and I don't know whether he's confirming or is guessing that.

[Japanese Samurai]

This year's operating temperature of the battery is 85 degree.
100 degree of operating temperature of the battery has come in sight by the laboratory level of Toyota.
(However, it seems that peripheral electronic components do not operate in that degree.)

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

This year's operating temperature of the battery is 85 degree.
100 degree of operating temperature of the battery has come in sight by the laboratory level of Toyota.
(However, it seems that peripheral electronic components do not operate in that degree.)

This is good, by reducing cooling requirement, they can further improve efficiency (powertrain and aerodynamic)

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

MFi magazine TS050 report
Hisatake Murata says that they changed combustion system this year.
he says that they achieved supercharging lean burn of λ1.5-1.8.

Kota Sera says that pre combustion chamber is Toyota's breakthrough technology.
But his expression is ambiguous and I don't know whether he's confirming or is guessing that.

Did he mean the technology for Toyota in general, or are they using a different/new type of pre combustion? I wonder if they have any plans on moving to a different type of battery beside li-ion. Also, is there any confirmation or talk about the silicon carbide semiconductor? I remember that being spoken of last year as tech they'd like to introduce.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by TF110

Did he mean the technology for Toyota in general, or are they using a different/new type of pre combustion?

He could also mean in terms of LMP1 cars.

Originally Posted by TF110

I wonder if they have any plans on moving to a different type of battery beside li-ion. Also, is there any confirmation or talk about the silicon carbide semiconductor? I remember that being spoken of last year as tech they'd like to introduce.

Toyota's always researching new batteries, but whether they'll be ready for a P1 effort soon is unlikely. I know Venturi FE is using silicon carbides now, so I find it hard to believe Toyota's too far off.

[Articus]

Out of curiosity, why did Toyota so desperately need Buemi this weekend? When he wanted nothing to do with the Nurburgring. They have Kunimoto, Lapierre(well....), and Sarrazin possibly available to substitute.
And realistically could have done the race with 2 drivers.