Super5000 Series Is Go??

[Ospi]

Wouldn't take much for the coyote to push 650hp, the current one proposed has no internals touched. It also wouldn't require close attention at each round like a current spec supercar engine does. The albens box is also quite problematic in supercars to add an extra element of reliability to the picture.

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[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

There doesn't need to be a dumping ground for anything. There isn't a massive glut of engines. There are 3 tiers of Supercars that require them. The blocks and heads don't last forever, so there will always be demand for them.

That could change very fast if the push to switch to turbo V6s actually starts gaining ground.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Wouldn't take much for the coyote to push 650hp, the current one proposed has no internals touched.

Certainly, a fun Coyote build here, 625hp at 8000rpm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NZIOIhUiU

Without Supercars rules you would get there pretty easily, just by throwing some off-the-shelf parts at it, ordering some off-the-shelf ported cylinder heads from a reputable supplier, and a bit of fine-tuning. With supercars rule (10:1 compression, 7500rpm rev limit) it would be a bit more difficult though as Nissan and AMG have found out.

If it was up to me, I would ask InnoV8 to look into the building the Coyotes with a flat-plane crank kit to get more of a Formula 1 / Cosworth DFV sound, perhaps go up to a 9000rpm rev limit, but I don't think that is what Lamden or Supercars are going for.

“The rod ratio (in the FlatFast kit) matches the Ferrari 488 at 1.77, but I may need to back this off a tad after I build the first few for torque purposes. The higher rod ratio reduces the nasty torsional harmonics that have given the flat-plane crank a bad name,” Stephen explained.

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[Malfunction Junction]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Certainly, a fun Coyote build here, 625hp at 8000rpm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NZIOIhUiU

Without Supercars rules you would get there pretty easily, just by throwing some off-the-shelf parts at it, ordering some off-the-shelf ported cylinder heads from a reputable supplier, and a bit of fine-tuning. With supercars rule (10:1 compression, 7500rpm rev limit) it would be a bit more difficult though as Nissan and AMG have found out.

If it was up to me, I would ask InnoV8 to look into the building the Coyotes with a flat-plane crank kit to get more of a Formula 1 / Cosworth DFV sound, perhaps go up to a 9000rpm rev limit, but I don't think that is what Lamden or Supercars are going for.


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That flat crank idea would be ace even with no other changes........

[Jam3s]

Issue is then dealing with vibration, particularly since they're solid mounted but damn it would sound sweet.

[Oldtony]

Some indication that both prototype cars will be at Surfers Paradise in an exhibition role.
It is a long way off until something like a full field can be expected but the demo might just get me off the couch and over to the circuit.
Does anyone have info about the schedule for their appearance?

[loon]

is not one of the cars the old swift formula Nippon chassis?

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by loon

is not one of the cars the old swift formula Nippon chassis?

Correct, but it's basically just the tub and front inboard pickup points which is carried over I believe, the rest is revised or completely different.

It will be good to see them both on track together, they will be liveried the same as well.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

Correct, but it's basically just the tub and front inboard pickup points which is carried over I believe, the rest is revised or completely different.

It will be good to see them both on track together, they will be liveried the same as well.

The tub and entire nosecone is the same. I've heard it has the same floor, as well, but cannot confirm.

[peckstar]

wonder if this category will go ahead, Adn if it does will it be of interest to most people.

Seems to be stagnating a bit in my opinion

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Seems to be stagnating a bit in my opinion

With the might of the Supercars empire backing it, there is no way this category will be a failure.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by one five five

With the might of the Supercars empire backing it, there is no way this category will be a failure.

You say that like it is a bad thing..

Anyway, the pilots named as testing the Super5000s on the Gold Coast may be subject to change.

What is likely to happen engine-wise is a compromise... a Ford Coyote engine from the US, complete with flat plane crank, high rev limit, and a beautiful DFV-like screech...

At some point, a technical group within Supercar shall confirm the chassis spec, and the chassis builder can start fabricating cars on behalf of Supercar for a next season start.

It isn't all doom and gloom... there just isn't loads of chat around this stuff right now...

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You say that like it is a bad thing..

I wasn't saying it's a good thing or a bad thing

General consensus seems to be around here though that the only way for a category to succeed is if it aligns itself with Supercars, so therefore why won't this category succeed given it's alliance?

[Ospi]

There's one car in particular drivers are almost afraid to drive again, gold Coast circuit will emphasis which.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Ospi

There's one car in particular drivers are almost afraid to drive again, gold Coast circuit will emphasis which.

Oscar's example was very twitchy at Sandown, but it was also on slicks on a damp track, and looked to be too stiffly sprung

[hondafan37]

I do not understand why the two different chassis.
Are these two different formulas, a single category that accepts the two types of chassis applying BOP or finally a single car will be chosen?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

I do not understand why the two different chassis.
Are these two different formulas, a single category that accepts the two types of chassis applying BOP or finally a single car will be chosen?

Its a little complicated, however two different groups attempted to re-create the same thing - F5000. Both had built a vehicle

Eventually they agreed to compromise, and that's where we currently are, trying to work out how that compromise will work.

Supposidly we get to see both vehicles this weekend

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Its a little complicated, however two different groups attempted to re-create the same thing - F5000. Both had built a vehicle

Eventually they agreed to compromise, and that's where we currently are, trying to work out how that compromise will work.

Supposidly we get to see both vehicles this weekend

Thanks for your answer.

[Jam3s]

You'll notice from the images from the circuit today that they have removed the large airbox from the Thunder, presumably to pull the Indy strings.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

You'll notice from the images from the circuit today that they have removed the large airbox from the Thunder, presumably to pull the Indy strings.

More likely that it wasn't necessary - as I said in the past a throwback air intake was rather pointless on an otherwise modern car. It had been indicated in the past it was a temporary detail regardless.

The new airbox incorporated into the rollbar should do the needed job at least as well(remember, those old airboxes were designed during an era where designer knew next to nothing about aero compared to today), probably for less drag, and suits the car far better.

As someone who personally wants to see a modern F5000 instead of a throwback series, the FT5000 chassis now gets my nod as my preferred car. I hope Supercars sees the light on that, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

More likely that it wasn't necessary - as I said in the past a throwback air intake was rather pointless on an otherwise modern car. It had been indicated in the past it was a temporary detail regardless.

The new airbox incorporated into the rollbar should do the needed job at least as well(remember, those old airboxes were designed during an era where designer knew next to nothing about aero compared to today), probably for less drag, and suits the car far better.

As someone who personally wants to see a modern F5000 instead of a throwback series, the FT5000 chassis now gets my nod as my preferred car. I hope Supercars sees the light on that, but I'm not holding my breath.

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No one involved ever thought it was necessary, it was simply the aesthetic. That doesn't mean it couldn't still be functional, however if they decide they no longer wish to head down the nostalgic route then this latest iteration will likely become the standard for the car.

As for the chassis and engine choices, it will have little to do with form and function and mostly to do with politics. There's more people in the S5000 box with pulling power compared to the FT who have spent a lot of money on the S5000 project. To me there's very little on the S5000 which trumps the FT when it comes to anything but aesthetics (which is subjective but will be important with the fans and can't be ignored).

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

As for the chassis and engine choices, it will have little to do with form and function and mostly to do with politics. There's more people in the S5000 box with pulling power compared to the FT who have spent a lot of money on the S5000 project. To me there's very little on the S5000 which trumps the FT when it comes to anything but aesthetics (which is subjective but will be important with the fans and can't be ignored).

I prefer the FT5000 Spectrum car as well.

Hopefully this is chosen over the Supashock designed S5000 car.

[one five five]

A pity they won't just race both of them in the series and find out which one is better that way.....

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

A pity they won't just race both of them in the series and find out which one is better that way.....

all two of them?

Expensive lesson for someone who chooses the wrong one

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Expensive lesson for someone who chooses the wrong one

Thats how proper racing is. If you choose the wrong car, bad luck, try some different developments to speed it up.