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View Poll Results: Which driver combination will win the Pirtek Enduro Cup? | |||
#2 Pye/Luff WP HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#3 Russell/Douglas LDM HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#5 Winterbottom/Canto PRA FORD | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Waters/Stanaway PRA FORD | 0 | 0% | |
#7 T.Kelly/Le Brocq NisMo NISSAN | 0 | 0% | |
#8 Percat/Jones BJR HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP FORD | 2 | 6.90% | |
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR HOLDEN | 1 | 3.45% | |
#15 R.Kelly/Wall NisMo NISSAN | 0 | 0% | |
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP FORD | 7 | 24.14% | |
#18 Holdsworth/Reindler CSR HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#19 W.Davison/Webb Tekno HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#21 Blanchard/Hazelwood TBR HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#22 Courtney/Perkins WP HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#23 Caruso/Fiore NisMo NISSAN | 0 | 0% | |
#33 Tander/Golding GRM HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#34 Moffat/Muscat GRM HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#55 Mostert/Owen PRA FORD | 1 | 3.45% | |
#56 Bright/Jacobson PRA FORD | 1 | 3.45% | |
#62 Rullo/A.Davison LDM HOLDEN | 1 | 3.45% | |
#78 de Silvestro/D.Russell NisMo NISSAN | 0 | 0% | |
#88 Whincup/Dumbrell 888 HOLDEN | 7 | 24.14% | |
#97 van Gisbergen/Campbell 888 HOLDEN | 6 | 20.69% | |
#99 Wood/Pither Erebus HOLDEN | 0 | 0% | |
#888 Lowndes/Richards 888 HOLDEN | 3 | 10.34% | |
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1 Aug 2017, 03:33 (Ref:3756581) | #151 | |
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I think my previous post proves it's point...
Re: the Davo/Davo combination, it could be a good thing. Very similar drivers in a lot of ways. |
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1 Aug 2017, 03:40 (Ref:3756582) | #152 | |
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2 Aug 2017, 09:22 (Ref:3756874) | #153 | ||
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To prove my point The start of it Caruso was perfectly fine, on the apex nothing wrong https://prnt.sc/g3cleo Next part to get the run, and for Micheal it would have also been the way the car pushes over, as you can see the racing line pushes out wide, sometimes you cant do a thing, by rights Jack should have lifted the tiniest, dropped in behind, had a decent run to keep with #23 and stay ahead of Hazlewood. Still car 23 on the right line and would have had as much lock trying to get away from Jack, but the momentum carries you onto that line. Here is the evidence for that http://prntscr.com/g3cm4o This is where they both end up in trouble, Micheals car as I said would have been getting settled. Jack was still hanging out there hoping that he could do it. To a point Jack could have gone over a little tiny bit more to the ripple strip at this point and no contact would have unfolded, to mention too, on Jack's line he would have still be turning in trying not to eat dirt while Micheal was getting set for the run. http://prntscr.com/g3cm4o And we then know the end story, partially racing incident. Jack should have lifted, Micheal maybe was a little to paced, but that's the normal line and for Micheal to lift he would have had a number 35 car parked in him compared to Jack who would have lost 1 and at worse 2 spots and still be running, it was Micheals corner and Jack made a rookie error, he will learn hopefully, and better after his Chadha episode Last edited by mceci1; 2 Aug 2017 at 09:35. |
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2 Aug 2017, 09:54 (Ref:3756878) | #154 | |
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Current mindset from the rulemakers is that you can't cart someone wide onto the grass whilst overtaking.
Which is what Mr Caruso was doing as the two cars banged wheels. |
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2 Aug 2017, 10:10 (Ref:3756881) | #155 | |
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Current rule makers need to get in a race car then and learn how the hell the corner flows then don't they. As for Luff, he wasn't very switched on throughout the weekend, I like him as a driver but that's exactly what he should stick to, DRIVING
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2 Aug 2017, 10:20 (Ref:3756883) | #156 | |
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The current rulemakers are ex-racing drivers.
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2 Aug 2017, 10:36 (Ref:3756886) | #157 | |
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Tell me something, have you raced QR, if not then you will have the perspective of what happens from the outside, until you actually run around the corner at speed you don't know how it works, for a small track QR is actually quite complex
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2 Aug 2017, 10:47 (Ref:3756892) | #158 | |
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I have (state/club type stuff)
Doesn't matter how the corner 'flows', Caruso could have easily made it around the corner and given JLB room, he chose not to. The steering wheel works both ways. the rule-makers state you can't run someone off the track, full stop. |
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2 Aug 2017, 11:12 (Ref:3756900) | #161 | |
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The onus is on the driver making the pass.
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2 Aug 2017, 11:39 (Ref:3756910) | #162 | |
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2 Aug 2017, 11:50 (Ref:3756914) | #163 | |
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I'm just reitterating the rules.
I care not, for past examples that didn't go your way. |
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2 Aug 2017, 11:55 (Ref:3756920) | #164 | |
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The rules don't consider how some corners work. While I agree with most, I don't believe anyone was to blame for the Caruso Le Brocq crash, anyone with half a brain of logic would see it
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This is a great example of where I think motorsport - F1 inspired as usual - have gone down the wrong path.
In the old days, getting your nose into a gap gave you the right to a car's width. Getting mostly past in the corner meant you'd won the corner. Of course, that doesn't mean you could just biff your way through, but if you got partly alongside before the apex then it was deemed a 'great move'. But also if you haven't completely got in front by the exit, then you also have to modify your acceleration to leave a car's width on the outside. We called it 'racing'. Physics largely agrees with that interpretation. If you've stuck your nose in, then your pretty much certain to be on the limit of adhesion both in braking and turning and if the guy on the outside turns in it's not actually possible to avoid him. Sadly these days, overtaking must be done in a straight line and largely completed before the end of the braking zone (you must be at least fully level with the car alongside) as a result of which it's largely impossible, and so doesn't happen. Even worse when given the F1 'one move' which you can leave until the person behind has committed himself to one side or the other. We call that 'driving around in circles in a big procession' and it's not nearly as interesting as 'racing' used to be! |
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3 Aug 2017, 06:44 (Ref:3757129) | #170 | ||
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It was a good move by Caruso in my opinion its just a shame he had what appears to be wash or understeer and took both out, no fault to either. Now it seems the keyboard warriors don't think its a good move unless its like SVG and the car is hanging 'right out sideways'. |
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3 Aug 2017, 07:05 (Ref:3757134) | #173 | |
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I see penrite have a retro competition going for sandown
Today''s efforts a Ch 9 camaro look |
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