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Damn 51 got out in front of 92
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spoke too soon.
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Don't think Porsche has anything for 51 Ferrari. How lucky was AF Corse! Pier Guidi masterclass to bring the car in so quickly!
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#2 will win the title now. Wish Porsche would let them race.
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Good for the #51 car to get the win, but wow they are cursed. Had to be feeling it when they got the puncture....
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Good race for about 3 and a half 4 hours up front. When Sarrazin got his stint and couldn't close up on fresh tires, the Porsche win was sealed. Good race in GTE though. It was close most the way through.
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17 Sep 2017, 11:54 (Ref:3767880) | #189 | |
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Wasn't Sarrazins stint before the SC? So it wouldn't have made a difference anyway?
Sarrazin wasn't great, but the reserve driver never is, they've had a lot less running. I think it's a bit harsh laying all the blame at his feet. It isn't like every other driver was gapping the Porsches. |
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I didn´t like the Porsche team orders being so obvious.
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From the Porsche LMP1 thread:
"For those who don't like team orders, I have bad news, irrespective of my own views on it: 1: the practice has been around forever basically in motorsport, 2: Porsche will probably keep doing it until the #8 Toyota is out of it for the drivers' title, 3: This is what happens when LM is double points, the ACO say you can't get points at LM or any other WEC round unless you run 70% distance and do the last lap in less than a set time, 4: This makes Toyota dropping the ball at LM all the more regrettable, 5: I think a lot of us are spoiled by teams like Joest, Champion and Corvette Racing letting their drivers/teams race each other almost all the time in the ALMS and such. However, even the Audi teams (though rarely) used team orders, like Nurburgring in '08 and PLM the same year, mostly after the lack of at least temporary team orders cost them a race at Road America in '07. Annoying though it may be, most attempts to ban or restrict team orders--much like cost control--have been failures. And since multicar teams in road racing aren't like Indy Car or NASCAR (where each team has their own sponsors), you're going to get more team orders stuff. And it's not like Toyota aren't guilty of it either, since the #8 is in damage control mode after LM imploded on the team." I hate team orders, especially since Porsche and the #2 crew have a commanding leading in both the manufacturers' and drivers' championships. But if they DNF and don't score points in any of the up coming races because of how the ACO dole out points, their opposition can take back a huge chunk of what they lost. Hence team orders will likely continue until the last race or two when we know that the #8 crew will probably be out of it if the status quo continues, or if the #8 team DNF's in one of the up coming races, which what would pretty much lock up the title for the #2 unless they don't show up for the rest of the races. |
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Toyota were in contention because early on they matched Porsche for pace and tried a different strategy (if you're as fast as your opposition, you're not likely to get ahead by dong as they do).
Problem is, probably as the track and ambient temp warmed up, Toyota couldn't maintain that pace throughout a whole run. That seems to explain why they faded late. |
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Do you realize that this "I hope Fuji is a better race" gets old First was Nurburgring.1-2 for Porsche Toyota at Nurburgring : Nurburgring is damage limitation,track is more suited for Porsche hybrid system,in Mexico we will be better with that long straight - They were lapped at 3 hour mark,even worst than Nurbugring! Toyota at Mexico : Awful race,but we will come back at COTA stronger.Yes they were stronger, but not enough...3 consecutive 1-2 victories.I think Porsche have advantage over them,and yes i am Porsche fan but i want more close fights.So right now Toyota have to figure something out because how it looks their season may end with next race! |
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Toyota do need to figure out something. Even if there's a limit on what teams can do to modify their bodywork once it's homolgated, there's still stuff they can change. They also need to figure out if it's aero, chassis set up, or hybrid strategy.
Yes, the ACO's rules for this year make it basically default that you're going to have to double stint almost every tire run. Toyota did it first before Porsche did to try and gain track position. IMO, one of two things happened. Either Porsche snookered Toyota by being the last to run their high downforce bodywork, or apples to apples, the Porsche is the better car right now. I still also feel that Toyota placed too much emphasis on LM and in the end their success or failure hinged on a good LM result, which they pretty much didn't get. |
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Only thing that's left for Toyota is try and win races and get back the form they had before Le Mans. However, seeing the roll that Porsche is on since winning LM, I think that's a tall order.
They need to find out why they're lacking pace, address that, and even then they're probably going to need a bit of luck to win some of these remaining races. Their race pace improved at COTA, but still, so far since LM, no dice. |
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