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24 Jan 2018, 16:41 (Ref:3794763) | #426 | |
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It's really not so bad, because unlike niche one make series, TCR cars have strong international resale value. So if it doesn't work out, you can always sell the car on for a good price.
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I think TCR Australia will only work if importers back the series.
It's a chance for Honda, Hyundai, VW, etc to race against other brands. Quote:
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24 Jan 2018, 18:56 (Ref:3794795) | #428 | |
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Importantly *for cheap* and with (potentially) better marketing exposure compared to the (unfortunately) fairly niche Australian Rally Championship.
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24 Jan 2018, 20:42 (Ref:3794820) | #429 | ||
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You quote the 80-120 times, what about 0 to 80 and 120 and beyond. I'm sure the 80-120 time allows the Honda to catch up a little bit of the distance to the Commodore way in front. And no, I would not consider the little Honda over a V8 any time. The discussion is around Racecars, not Roadcars so all this is rather irrelevant. |
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24 Jan 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3794829) | #430 | |
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They were lapping roughly as fast as GT4 at the Dubai 24hr last weekend, which was about 10secs off the pace of GT3.
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It wasn't that simple with Supercars taking over Australian GT though.
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As for people who race Porsche's in state series or the GT3 Cup Challenge, they are mainly enthusiasts driving them, will they get the same enjoyment trading in a Porsche GT3 that is eligible for a number of categories for a VW Golf eligible for just the one? Aligning with the Australian Production Car Series is exactly what I would do if I had the (in my opinion tough) job of getting TCR off the ground in Australia. Ideally i'd invite the smaller class Production Cars to race with TCR in their own class initially to bulk up the grid while the TCR numbers gradually grow...but in 2018 that might be considered a "bad look" |
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25 Jan 2018, 08:24 (Ref:3794879) | #433 | ||
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Of course they would be much faster if they were proper racing cars, but that would defeat the point of them being inexpensive and durable. |
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25 Jan 2018, 09:03 (Ref:3794887) | #436 | |
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Ms Preisig in the Opel Astra had a heavy shunt in the ADAC TRC Germany championship at the end of last year. Much time off, new chassis required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnyVfCCb_Xs Scales of economy, as always. Cheaper to fix? Or cheaper to re-shell? |
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Our premier category should be based on slow "not proper race cars", waiting with baited breath.............. |
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It was only with the advent of "V8Supercars" that the emphasis went towards purpose built sports sedans based on nothing to do with the road going models. |
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Now, I'm the owner of a Golf GTI and I enjoy watching TCR, but it is a bit of a VAGfest, the cars are not that fast, their engine sound is a bit droney, and I think for close to $300k they are a bit rich. That said, there are a number of manufacturers in there who could potentially run a car, but at $300k per car who is going to stump up $1m a year to run 2 of these? |
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25 Jan 2018, 09:45 (Ref:3794899) | #440 | ||
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In the UK there is a strong ladder in front wheel drive. Civic Cup, MINI challenge, Renault Clio Cup, through to TCR and finally up to the iconic BTCC. In Australia you can go from the state Circuit Excels (or state IPRA under-2000cc) up to nothing. There used to be the MINI series to train FWD skills as a step-up from state Excels, but that has been replaced by RWD Toyota 86s. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Jan 2018 at 09:56. |
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The car can be leased on finance (with suitable insurance), so the actual money required is a lot less than the full RRP. Then the running costs of the cars are very low. |
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25 Jan 2018, 09:51 (Ref:3794905) | #442 | ||
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If it's too bent, I'm sure you could get a new shell -- the same as you would need to do if you race in Improved Production or Australian Manufacturer Series or whatever. Of course it offers lower safety than a purpose-built spaceframe, but the same applies for GT4, Improved Production, Toyota 86 series, and BTCC and everything else that uses a production bodyshell. |
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Of course, a manufacturer wouldn't go all-in, and sponsor the the whole program.
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Halve the number for a short series and the question remains. Who has the reddies and is going to kick the tin? VW & Audi have cars but have no form for racing recently in Australia Ford have the Focus but seem utterly disinterested in racing. Honda I do not think are financial enough to do it. Hyundai and Kia have done the same trick as VW, and I think could potentially compete. Mazda seems to be a big miss from this series. But they also don't seem to care about turbo cars, whether they be economy or performance. I just don't know that there is enough here for TCR to be anything but a class within a class. Of course this is predicated on "manufacturer" involvement at some level, which may not happen and may not be required. I'd certainly love to see the viable manufacturers duking it out, representing the brands, as has happened across Europe, just not sure I see it... |
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Yes, Classic Mini racing is exciting to watch at times but watching the bash and crash BTCC is painful at best. Proper race cars are RWD, that's why the Toyota series is popular and there is no FWD series on the horizon. |
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Even the Commodore is now a FWD car on the road, so why aren't we racing these in touring cars? |
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It would be great if small cheap RWD sporty sedans / hatchbacks were readily available but they are not [with the exception of BMWs, or the Toyota 86 which is a sportscar despite having four nominal seats]. The rest that are available like the Alfa Giulia, Lexus IS, Jaguar XE, Mercedes C class and Infiniti Q50 are often automatic only (yuck) . Otherwise you have the Falcon and VF Commodore which are not nippy, small cars so are ruled out on that basis [it would be great if they were 1350kg like V8 Supercars, but sadly the road models are more like 1800kg!] In saying that Giulia, C43, Q50 etc would make a great basis for the future of Supercars racing. Supercars would need to adopt a more road relevant formula that would encourage Mercedes, Alfa Romeo etc to become involved. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Jan 2018 at 18:33. |
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