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20 Jan 2018, 09:04 (Ref:3793944) | #126 | |
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We're only 3 weeks in, mind you
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EXACTLY !!!
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Honda are wise enough to know that people don't want steering feedback or sporty handling in their MPV. Those are reserved for cars like the Civic Type R, S660, S2000 and NSX where the sportiness is laid on heavily -- "If you're gonna do it, do it properly." Conversely other, especially European brands, want to grace every vehicle with sports suspension and a rorty exhaust for that "European ride and handling", regardless of whether it is appropriate for the vehicle's intended buyer and usage........ Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 21 Jan 2018 at 12:36. |
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Jeremy Clarkson loved the mighty Magna (or Sigma as in the UK) and that counts for a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPSnmL0ko4 One almost gets the impression Clarkson is being paid handsomely to channel his inner James May about the technical excellence of the Mitsubishi in some kind of informercial -- surely not, right?
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26 Jan 2018, 18:18 (Ref:3795298) | #130 | |
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Now that it's all over and in the history books, it is very sad to see the end of the distinct Australian car industry and the eventual end in a year or two of what we knew as V8 Supercars. But when the negative happens, the smart learn from it and it's a multi faceted demise of an industry. A government with noncompetitive tax rates and bureaucratic induced costs(like electricity), industrial unions who failed to flex with the market and a product that failed to adjust quickly enough to changing consumer demand all led to the end.
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Can we outsource electricity to China/Thailand/Japan/Korea/USA/South Africa/Poland/Germany/Great Britain et al too?
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27 Jan 2018, 00:56 (Ref:3795351) | #132 | ||
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Electricity costs are am issue for consumers but not so much for big industry really
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You just might be surprised. The number of businesses switching from electricity because of volatile energy prices onto more complex platforms like LNG or even LPG is surprising.
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29 Jan 2018, 01:16 (Ref:3796512) | #137 | ||
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https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...0?ffref=theage
Tax department may crack down on the loophole with dual-cab utes and FBT, which have numbered in the hundreds of thousands per year at the expense of big cars like the Commodore and Falcon, and if they had reacted a little bit quicker I wonder if things might have been a little different for Ford & Holden. Of course the car manufacturers have loved this loophope because those vehicles are big and dumb and they make good money off it, and all of them have been on the teat. I do think it is about time the ATO acted, stupid tax rules have been pushing people into vehicles that are bigger, less safe, and far less efficient than they would otherwise be buying. |
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29 Jan 2018, 10:28 (Ref:3796572) | #138 | |
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It's not just the Australian industry affected - sales of sedans have been diminishing rapidly across the globe.
If sedans end up constituting only a tiny/rare/niche segment of vehicle sales, then the elephant in the room must be "what is the future of touring cars"? |
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It's hard to compare to elsewhere in the world. We've always forged our own path in terms of touring car racing for the most part, but adopted other rulesets when it suited.
The problem we now have, is whilst everyone wants V8s, they also want cars that are RWD and V8-powered, and Ford Vs Holden. That may still be sustainable for the next couple of years at best, but at some point, it'll start to unravel when people and sponsors fall into that mindset of "Why are we racing cars that are no longer sold?" or "We want current/relatable cars to carry our branding". Are the NZV8s having this issue yet? They're still using VEIIs and FGs, and the previous-gen Camry. The planning for the next phase of touring car racing in this country needs to be already underway. The catagory should also be 100% transparent to the fanbase on where they're heading with it. |
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The NZV8's haven't had more than 10 cars show up for their last two rounds between their two classes, so I think their cars being outdated is the least of their problems.
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That bad, huh?
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The internal politics is poison over there
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The legacy of Skylines (DR30-R32), BMWs (635i, M3), Supra, RX7, Starion, Falcon hardtop etc in the class suggests coupes are considered more than acceptable for touring car racing. |
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What's wrong with Mercdes vs BMW (vs Audi vs Lexus), given that it is Mercedes and BMW and co who are actually selling V8 (sometimes plus twin-turbo to boot!) sedans? Why should Holden --without a suitable vehicle -- be allowed to compete and thus discourage prestige premium marques, who do not want to race against value-priced marques? |
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V8 Supercars has a horrible lack of foresight.
It was clear already in 2007: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98615 that Falcon vs Commodore only was an unacceptable format... |
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29 Jan 2018, 13:56 (Ref:3796607) | #146 | |
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The great unwashed, want something that is unsustainable.
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The seismic shift in the public's vehicle buying preferences towards these SUV-type vehicles will otherwise surely mean the end of racing anything equivalent to their road vehicles out on the track. Unless we're set to see SUV's, etc lumbering and rolling around Bathurst, etc as part of our 'premier series' in the future? |
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