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Old 13 Apr 2018, 22:06 (Ref:3815283)   #2746
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What I meant was treat the F2 Dallara as what you would expect to be built, single plane front wing etc etc.!
I see.

F2 does have a more sensible aero package. Simple front wing, and a much larger diffuser that is not so sensitive to turbulence (unlike the F1 floor which is a small diffuser but heavily raked, and relying on the front wing to be functioning in clean air to generate the vortices to seal the floor properly).
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 15:21 (Ref:3816200)   #2747
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sounds like an April 30 deadline to unilaterally push through 2019 changes aimed at improving overtaking will come and ago, unsurprisingly, with no consensus.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...anges-1026982/

lack of support, lack of funding, lack of agreement...so the usual stumbling blocks.

while i do believe that there is a long standing problem, i have to say i do somewhat agree that the backlash from OZ is being overblown given the two crackerjack races we have had since.

cant expect the teams to change overnight, cant really expect them to spend money to change for 2019 when 2021 will most likely see a new formula anyways.

im inclined to think that what Pirelli have done this year with their compounds is the far cheaper, more immediate, and thus more practical solution to the problem.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 18:27 (Ref:3816229)   #2748
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I might be in the minority, but I don't enjoy watching cars on different tires "race". The overtakes seem cheap, almost like the guy with the new tires is in a different class of car.

I understand it's part of motorsport, it's not exactly new etc. but I feel relying on different compound/age tires for close racing won't always overcome the dirty air problem we have.

In reality though, as chillibowl alludes to - maybe tires are our only hope. I have no confidence the cars ability to follow will be addressed anytime soon.
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Old 18 Apr 2018, 11:20 (Ref:3816328)   #2749
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They need get rid of those ugly aero bits they have on the bodywork, although some cars did a good job of doing that in Bahrain!
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I might be in the minority, but I don't enjoy watching cars on different tires "race". The overtakes seem cheap, almost like the guy with the new tires is in a different class of car.

I understand it's part of motorsport, it's not exactly new etc. but I feel relying on different compound/age tires for close racing won't always overcome the dirty air problem we have.

In reality though, as chillibowl alludes to - maybe tires are our only hope. I have no confidence the cars ability to follow will be addressed anytime soon.
For me the most exciting part of motor-racing is the tyre strategy and i think there should be a minimum of 2 stops and tyre compounds that make sense to achieve that - if they can reduce the aero problems then everything will be even better
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I'm so grateful that pit stop fanatics are an absolute minority in F1's fan base...
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 14:25 (Ref:3816506)   #2752
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I'm so grateful that pit stop fanatics are an absolute minority in F1's fan base...
I certainly wouldn't class myself as a pit stop fanatic (although I presume that is supposed to be a derogatory description), but in the modern restricted era where the performance of the cars have been pretty much equalised, having different tyre performances, strategies and grip lives can make the races far more interesting than they would have been had the tyre performances also all been equalised!
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that for me as well Viva.

wouldnt want to see a mandated minimum number of stops though.

i think that would just result in everyone adopting the same strategy.

having to use two different compound, all be it contrived, does work for me in that, well so far this year at least, we are seeing teams really guessing who is going to 1-stop vs 2-stop. it opens things up tremendously.

i would even go so far as to say i hope we can see a race where a team finds a way to use the hypersofts in some sort of 3-stop strategy that can win a race....maybe i am a pitstop fanatic.
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3816527)   #2754
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ban pit stops and bring 2 or 3 more tyres companies, that would mix things up
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 16:57 (Ref:3816531)   #2755
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ban pit stops and bring 2 or 3 more tyres companies, that would mix things up
Bringing in another 2 or 3 more tyre companies, would ramp up the cost of the tyres.

I like the tyre stops and seeing the different strategies the teams use. Though having said that, I do miss the more attritional aspects of F1, when cars/drivers had to rely on one set tyres for the entire race.
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ban pit stops and bring 2 or 3 more tyres companies, that would mix things up
There are far more arguments against that than for it, especially for cost reasons. And that was the major factor that brought about the FIA's regulation restricting it to only one supplier.

You would get back to the situation where some teams are being paid to use a company's rubber, whilst other teams are having to pay the supplier. Just like before, it would lead to a tyre war which just ends in escalating costs.

Furthermore, at least one of the companies that could produce tyres for F1 has made it a clear condition for a possible return to F1 that they would only do so as the single supplier. For the reasons stated above, I would imagine that all the producers would also stipulate the same condition.

And think about it logically. If all the teams were forced to buy their tyres from a list of producers, then what is to stop them walking away from a contract with company A when it is obvious to all that the tyres from companies B, C and/or D are far superior, and all other teams followed suit.
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 17:15 (Ref:3816534)   #2757
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I wish people could make up their mind about tyres. One minute they last too long, and the next moment everyone is complaining that they only last for a few laps.
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 17:35 (Ref:3816536)   #2758
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A bit like the Chapman mantra, what you really want, I suppose, is tyres that can be leant on for the whole race by the ideal car, but which fall apart on the cool-down lap. But thatís not realistic.
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There are far more arguments against that than for it....
and after all that, Ferrari would just end up ruining for it everyone by forming essentially a bespoke tire deal with one of the suppliers.

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I wish people could make up their mind about tyres. One minute they last too long, and the next moment everyone is complaining that they only last for a few laps.
ill admit to once being in that camp. not to rehash the old debate but it did take Pirelli a lot of time to get to where they are now. obvious reasons of course...lack of testing, using an outdated car as their test mule, teams using their tires in backwards ways.

but several years in and far more tire testing, i have to say i have very much changed my opinion of their offerings. so far this year i think they have absolutely gotten their sums right
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 18:16 (Ref:3816542)   #2760
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they bring in the halo for reasons of safety but by far the most dangerous aspect of F1 are pitstops , why not bring in a minimum time say 10 seconds and with the pressure off at least the mechanics should be at much less risk.
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