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but in fairness i would say likewise, that you may be showing Hartely more support then he deserves also because his seat is on the line. just different sides of the same coin. as for the logic of a pass/overtake...point taken and i would counter with that anytime a following driver chooses to overtake but relies on using the curb (and thin strip of grass in this case) in order to find the room necessary, then that move inherently has an element of risk to it...whether that comes from not having enough room or being able to cleanly rejoin the track. more suspect given that there was also a wall there. i wouldnt go so far as to call these types of overtakes as marginal but its not truly clean pass attempt either. of course, if you get it right you are a genius and if you get it wrong then some blame has to be accepted as well. dont want to get into track limits/one wheel is in bounds debate, but surely given the amount of room (even if Stroll had managed to keep it clean) this was not representative of a smart overtaking attempt. imo, clearly fraught with more danger and risk than reward no? |
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Stroll lost time in the previous corner, Hartley came from behind him to at least along side him (so was able to travel considerably faster), the Stroll had his accident. Not Hartley's fault. Last edited by VIVA GT; 11 Jun 2018 at 16:21. |
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You can suggest I'm giving BH more support that he deserves, however as a sportscar fan I was never a huge fan of him and don't rate him particularly highly. I wouldn't have given him the STR seat either. Previously I have pitched my tent firmly in the "I don't rate Brendon" camp, and I've also shown support from Stroll when I felt some were unfair to him (see: The Massa comments).
However, my opinion of these two doesn't change my judgement on the accident. The only criticism that is being thrown at BH is "He tried to pass Stroll when Stroll had his crash". I'm really not sure how that can legitimately be called a 50/50 when only one driver caused the mistake to crash. If we're blaming BH for putting himself in a position that would leave him vulnerable should Stroll have made a mistake, then that's at best still a 90/10 situation as Stroll is the only driver who ran out talent, and the accident was going to happen regardless of the position of the STR. Quite literally, Stroll lost control of his car and crashed and we're sitting saying Brendon is of equal blame. That's...ludicrous. |
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I guess it's a sort of panic reflex. "I can't take the blame" being the cause of making up the story in the first place. I was half expecting to see the replay and see BH cut the Williams tyre with the front wing, but that clearly didn't happen. The fact BH was on the grass was again not down to him - it was Stroll deciding that other cars don't need room to exist. If that was Vettel we'd be calling for a drive through. I also agree 100% with what you said - whether Hartley was there or not didn't matter to Stroll. He was having that accident purely through his own mistake. Nobody else caused any of it. So how the blame can be 50/50 when it was 100% caused by someone else, I'm not sure. |
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well i guess im on the wrong side on this one.
but i do think that even if Stroll had maintained control i still dont think there was enough room for BH to make a pass. dude put his car in an impossible place and for me thats a lack of race craft and/or even a lack of knowledge of this track...a problem which manifested itself when Stroll lost control. he took a chance which was all or nothing in nature so that also deserves blame imo. maybe 50/50 is a bit harsh but for me its not far off imo. |
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I’m with you on this. There was a camera angle that showed Stroll mess up getting on the power out of 4 and Hartley got a run on him and managed to get alongside. Looked like Stroll in his desperation had too much throttle and simply lost it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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so agreed that they handled it far more sensibly then Stroll and BH. that said, for whatever reason i guess i am looking at this with a certain amount of bias in that i really dont rate either of these drivers....sub in two different drivers that i do rate and, sure, i would probably have a different opinion on this. |
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That's how I understand it too. What I don't understand is F1's obsession with "slebs". It's bad enough having David Coulthard interviewing them on the grid when they have absolutely nothing useful to contribute. To let them in on a role which belongs to a properly competent person is verging on criminal. Can you imagine the FA allowing some washed-up wannabee to blow the whistle at the end of the cup final?
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First lap. Like everyone, he pokes his nose into every gap he can find, and hopes the other guy doesn't mess up. A forlorn hope in this case.
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yep, and whoever compared stroll and hartley in ability earlier clearly only watches F1. one has achieved far more than the other ever will.
in saying that if had to pick a kiwi to drive f1 it would be dixon, then daylight, then bamber or stanaway. maybe van gisbergen for the entertainment (would he cool his wets by driving through the damp grass in an f1 car like he did with the touring car?) none of these will never happen though. |
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Charlie Whiting needs pensioning off.Celebs need to be out of sight out of mind,and let the Grid be peopled by those who should be there.A Standard front aero package needs to be used by ALL,and aerodynamically designed to allow the car to follow another without losing all of its downforce.The Tyres should revert back to RUBBER slicks and Wets,and be able to have several grip options,so that mandatory one option tyre changes during the race can take place.What benefit is there from this Chemical compound Tyre that must cost a fortune to produce,that sometimes cant be wamed up properly,especially after a safety car stint,sometimes expires without warning,punctures at the slightest touch.We also need other Tyre Manufacturers to come back into the Sport,so fair Competition is available amongst the Teams in tyre choice!
At the moment,apart from action from the Kids,this so called Sport is becoming DIRE,and a Celebrity Runway!!! |
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The 70/70 is correct at that moment since the leader has already passed start/finish and at that exactmoment it becomes 70/70 instead of 69/70. But if they flagged when Vettel crossed it (which they did, hence his questioning over the radio) it was still 69/70 when he arrived out of the last corner and only 70/70 when he crossed the line. So the question (or: my question anyway) remains: how could anyone possibly misread 69/70 ? I don't buy that explanation. EDIT: I see Richard Casto already offered the same explanation a few days ago. I didn't read as far back as I should have. |
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