[Team] Williams: Do they have a spare tub?

[The SpeCTator]

It is reported that Frank Williams once said:
"Why bother improving the car by a second a lap if we give away half a second because of the driver."
Sad that seems to be forgotten.

[S griffin]

He also famously would never overpay for a driver if he thought it would compromise the budget for the car development

[BSchneiderFan]

Stroll, Martini, Rexona - where is the money going to come from?

Claire is putting a brave face on it: https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/710/williams-set-for-new-look-in-2019/

[Tourer]

She is but that article is old (February this year) and since then, from the outside at least, things have got worse in regard to 2019 and beyond.

I really hope that they have something up their sleeves and it's all good for 2019 onwards but it doesn't look promising from what we know at this stage.

[Tourer]

Article with some quotes from Claire: "painful experience"

If the team have a plan for next year, they're keeping quiet on it for now.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Article with some quotes from Claire: "painful experience"

If the team have a plan for next year, they're keeping quiet on it for now.

They can get a Ocon who is a quality driver, paired with a solid paydriver like Sirotkin, that seems fine.

Then time to collect some heavily discounted sponsors!

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Stroll, Martini, Rexona - where is the money going to come from?
2019/

FOM contributes a lot of course. Albeit less than Ferrari or Red Bull -- Williams fans may well be outraged by the absurd politices of that.

Williams fans also contribute by buying Williams merchandise. So too does Mr. Sirotkin.

Anyway, a return to the iconic Williams blue will be most welcome for Williams fans! What a classy look.

[chillibowl]

totally a side question, but does anyone know how much teams actually make of off their kit?

i fell like for most teams its not a large earner.

watch a race and for sure Ferrari are selling tons plus they have Ferrari apparel stores around the world (fans can come prepared). some teams (maybe just RBR now) sometimes have stuff in Puma stores.

but outside of that, the teams dont really make it easy to buy kit. either you go to a race or their factory i suppose but outside of that, its almost all online and very expensive (plus shipping) compared to gear from other sports.

of course i live where i live, but a couple of years ago i was in a London mall and checked out some sporting goods stores...no F1 stuff at all.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

totally a side question, but does anyone know how much teams actually make of off their kit?

i fell like for most teams its not a large earner.

watch a race and for sure Ferrari are selling tons plus they have Ferrari apparel stores around the world (fans can come prepared). some teams (maybe just RBR now) sometimes have stuff in Puma stores.

but outside of that, the teams dont really make it easy to buy kit. either you go to a race or their factory i suppose but outside of that, its almost all online and very expensive (plus shipping) compared to gear from other sports.

of course i live where i live, but a couple of years ago i was in a London mall and checked out some sporting goods stores...no F1 stuff at all.

The same sort of thing applies in the UK for football (soccer), although there are two distinct market places for the kit.

Replica kit is sold by the clubs both online and in their own shops at their own stadiums. But you can also purchase replica, replica (no, that's not a typo!) kit from a number of sports' clothing outlets, but it is nowhere near the same quality and is considerably cheaper.

About every two years I buy my grandson a replica kit direct from Tottenham Hotspur which he wears to his youth football team practice sessions, and it sets me back about $150, including delivery, for a short sleeve top, shorts and knee height socks.

Problem is that even though he might not have outgrown or worn out the kit, the clubs tend to change their strip every one or two years. And it wouldn't do his street cred any good to be seen in out of date clothing. It's so passé!

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

And it wouldn't do his street cred any good to be seen in out of date clothing. It's so passé!

true that!

[GT6]

I love wearing old team shirts at motoring events, true fans know you are a long term enthusiast rather than there for just one race, Old gear also sells well now days, just look at the mad scramble for the pink pig and rothmans shirts at lemans, teams should take a lesson from that and reissue classic stuff it will sell well for sure.

[chillibowl]

that would be great. most sports make a good trade in re releasing retro jerseys...or at least for NFL, NHL, NBA it works.

i suspect things might get more difficult due to old/expired sponsors though. more so with the cig branded stuff.

but yes, if i could easily/affordably get a hold of some of the old williams kit i would jump on that purchase!

[Lancsbreaker]

My Eddie Irvine T-shirt is relegated to workshop wear now....its getting a little old. And my original Hesketh Bear T-shirt fell apart a few years ago

[Mike Harte]

It has been reported that the old saloon car series, the Wendy Wools Championship, is being resurrected for Special Saloons next year, and a number of former entrants/drivers and supporters are digging out their linked anoraks that date from the 70s.


What's wrong with retro (except Brexit, of course)!

[E.B]

Originally Posted by GT6

I love wearing old team shirts at motoring events, true fans know you are a long term enthusiast rather than there for just one race, Old gear also sells well now days, just look at the mad scramble for the pink pig and rothmans shirts at lemans, teams should take a lesson from that and reissue classic stuff it will sell well for sure.

I unearthed in my wardrobe a genuine team worn Ligier / Loto windcheater from Adelaide 1988 I think it was. Sadly it has become a bit worse for wear and done the painting garb journey. I am in Europe for a couple of weeks more but on return home it will be dragged out.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by GT6

I love wearing old team shirts at motoring events, true fans know you are a long term enthusiast rather than there for just one race, Old gear also sells well now days, just look at the mad scramble for the pink pig and rothmans shirts at lemans, teams should take a lesson from that and reissue classic stuff it will sell well for sure.

But so many teams just don't understand that. Take Porsche at Le Mans - they nailed it, but the Rebs can't even produce a t-shirt for the public when they could have probably have sold thousands at LM and Silverstone.

[OVERSTEER]

There is a company called Retro GP that do some nice stuff.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by OVERSTEER

There is a company called Retro GP that do some nice stuff.

excellent site...thanks for the share.

[OVERSTEER]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

excellent site...thanks for the share.

No worries. I have the Hesketh, Minardi, STP March and Ragno Arrows T-Shirts and there are many more that I want.
I recommend the Hesketh 308 beer too, expensive but good

[S griffin]

I still have my team RAC fleece from 2006 in my wardrobe

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by GT6

I love wearing old team shirts at motoring events, true fans know you are a long term enthusiast rather than there for just one race, Old gear also sells well now days, just look at the mad scramble for the pink pig and rothmans shirts at lemans, teams should take a lesson from that and reissue classic stuff it will sell well for sure.

Same.

I got a Marussia polo last year in Monaco for 10 euro (okay not that old school), there was a stall in the streets that had all kinds of retro gear.

There's also a store here in Melbourne that sells sports teams clothing, when the GP comes around the entire downstairs becomes a dedicated F1 store with all kinds of retro stuff, old school Williams, Jordan, Arrows, Bennetton etc..

[lukej]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

that would be great. most sports make a good trade in re releasing retro jerseys...or at least for NFL, NHL, NBA it works.

i suspect things might get more difficult due to old/expired sponsors though. more so with the cig branded stuff.

but yes, if i could easily/affordably get a hold of some of the old williams kit i would jump on that purchase!

I might have just the shirt for you Chilli 😉

Luke

[Armco Bender]

I've got a Chinese Rilliams jacket.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

I've got a Chinese Rilliams jacket.

Is that a Woffmans Rilliams jacket?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

My Eddie Irvine T-shirt is relegated to workshop wear now....its getting a little old. And my original Hesketh Bear T-shirt fell apart a few years ago

There's a Hesketh Racing bear t-shirt on ebay going for £50.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ori...QAAOSwE1BbiPjE