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Old 3 Dec 2018, 17:26 (Ref:3867681)   #276
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Hughes has a tendency to overinflate the drama when it comes to Ferrari. I don't believe a word he says about it anymore.
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Old 3 Dec 2018, 17:57 (Ref:3867685)   #277
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The problem with Ferrari for 2019.



Vettel v Leclerc



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Arrivabene v Binotto the Ferrari Technical Director who was apparently going to be promoted to team Principle at the end of 2018 before the death of Sergio Marchionne.



https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/n...power-struggle


Leclerc’s fastest time in the test shows he can take on the challenge. Gonna be interesting between them 2
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Old 3 Dec 2018, 18:09 (Ref:3867687)   #278
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Also in my opinion Leclerc will be better than Raikkonen and will be able to beat Bottas right from the start.
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Old 4 Dec 2018, 10:01 (Ref:3867804)   #279
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The problem with Ferrari for 2019.

Vettel v Leclerc

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Arrivabene v Binotto the Ferrari Technical Director who was apparently going to be promoted to team Principle at the end of 2018 before the death of Sergio Marchionne.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/n...power-struggle
I really think is true. The only doubt of this story is over the figure of Binotto as head of the team

But this scenario I think is true by judging also the way Arrivabene made comments after loosing the driver championship. And we know that Marchionne don't wanted to be a loseer. So...

With a new management I think that something has changed. But Ferrari should not, must not lose Binotto! And I think Arrivabene is definitely not the right person to lead the Ferrari to success
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Old 4 Dec 2018, 16:49 (Ref:3867888)   #280
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what, if anything, do we know about the new Ferrari CEO and their views on how the F1 team should be run?
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 00:16 (Ref:3868172)   #281
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I really think is true. The only doubt of this story is over the figure of Binotto as head of the team

But this scenario I think is true by judging also the way Arrivabene made comments after loosing the driver championship. And we know that Marchionne don't wanted to be a loseer. So...

With a new management I think that something has changed. But Ferrari should not, must not lose Binotto! And I think Arrivabene is definitely not the right person to lead the Ferrari to success
I agree with you, Binotto is the key to Ferrari's success, and anything that makes him unhappy should go, including, probably especially his boss Arrivabene if he is not smoothing Binotto's way.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 12:43 (Ref:3868255)   #282
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But hasn't Vettell been the main reason Ferrari haven't won at least 1 of the last 2 WDCs?
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 13:18 (Ref:3868260)   #283
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But hasn't Vettell been the main reason Ferrari haven't won at least 1 of the last 2 WDCs?
He has not helped his case with some silly errors, but win as a team lose as a team as they say.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 15:43 (Ref:3868299)   #284
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But hasn't Vettell been the main reason Ferrari haven't won at least 1 of the last 2 WDCs?
He's the main reason they've even gotten close.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 18:20 (Ref:3868341)   #285
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He's the main reason they've even gotten close.
As if Ricciardo or Alonso wouldn't have done better.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 18:24 (Ref:3868344)   #286
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He's the main reason they've even gotten close.
That's an answer to a different question..... And probably one that not everyone would agree with.
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As if Ricciardo or Alonso wouldn't have done better.
Alonso should have won in 2012 and Ricciardo is a number 2 driver at best.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 19:28 (Ref:3868356)   #288
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Once again you've missed out the 'In my opinion' bit..... or do we just take that as read?
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 00:12 (Ref:3868413)   #289
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Alonso should have won in 2012 and Ricciardo is a number 2 driver at best.
Yes he should, but he had 3rd best car for most of the year. If Alonso was in the RB he would have tied it up way before the end of the season.

I'd like to know your selection criteria for no.1 and no.2 drivers!
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 08:11 (Ref:3868470)   #290
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While Alonso undoubtedly is one of the greatest drivers talent wise, his team integration skills seem to be lacking, when looking at his history. So the car might not have been the only reason he missed out on the 2010 and 2012 titles.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 08:29 (Ref:3868474)   #291
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He certainly seems to have made the worse choices. Just imagine if he had stayed with Ferrari instead of going to McLaren
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He certainly seems to have made the worse choices. Just imagine if he had stayed with Ferrari instead of going to McLaren
That choice was made for Alonso not by him.
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That choice was made for Alonso not by him.
As was his leaving McLaren first time round a choice made for him.
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As was his leaving McLaren first time round a choice made for him.
Good point!

Same play as Ricciardo's situation. Alonso was royally screwed over by McLaren.
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There's always two that play a game. While a choice can be made for you, the question is whether you made the other party make the choice.
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There's always two that play a game. While a choice can be made for you, the question is whether you made the other party make the choice.
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There's always two that play a game. While a choice can be made for you, the question is whether you made the other party make the choice.
I think it was a threesome and McLaren liked the idea of Hamilton.

McLaren took Alonso back a second time despite their previous parting, and I believe Renault would have him back in a heart beat if they thought they could build a car worthy of his talent..
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He's the main reason they've even gotten close.
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As if Verstappen cares at all who his teammate is He destroyed self proclaimed best driver on the grid Ricciardo without breaking a sweat.
But if I'm following what you say here, Vettel was the main reason they got close, but Ricciardo destroyed Vettel when they were teammates (without breaking a sweat) and if Ricciardo is a number 2 driver then it logically follows that if Ferrari employ Ricciardo as number 2 he will win them the championship.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 11:54 (Ref:3868731)   #299
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Indeed dsg, indeed!

But of course some will say Vettel was deliberately underperforming in 14 to get out of his contract!
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But if I'm following what you say here, Vettel was the main reason they got close, but Ricciardo destroyed Vettel when they were teammates (without breaking a sweat)
Oh no, that was just luck for the most part. And indeed Vettel was dreadful that year. Sort of like Hamilton 2011.
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