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Are you sure?
![]() ![]() You could have a crack, of course (like Formula SAE teams of students do at building carbon tubs), "how hard can it be", but the result is unlikely to be all that efficient or well-designed. This layup schematic of a Caterham F1 monocoque shows the complexity of a moderately well-designed carbon tub. I guess F3 and F4 cars use a more simple layup. ![]() ![]() https://www.f1technical.net/forum/vi...p?f=12&t=26318 |
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Anyone ever stop to consider that these companies would likely need some time to set up production before they could actually do it? Time enough to possibly delay the debut of the series?
Combine that with the uncertainty of the series being successful and it doesn't take a genius to think of why the organizers wouldn't jump right into local manufacturing. I'm not bashing on Aussie manufacturing capability here - I don't have enough knowledge of it(read: Next to none) to make such statements. But under the situation S5000 is currently in, it actually doesn't make sense to contract locally for the parts that will be the same as on the original car. That's something to worry about if the series actually takes off. |
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Aussie companies are capable and were originally planned to produce all the chassis when the SWIFT tub was being used, however with the switch to a tub requiring a Halo, it was deemed unnecessary to produce them here since the Onroak is still being produced overseas.
The difference is developing a tub from scratch is a very costly process and there was no point in going down that route with uncertainty about the success of the series. Perhaps down the line if the series really kicks off they will consider a home grown tub. |
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The shortened diffusers really are rather small compared to the original. The original diffuser would have performed rather well with the larger rear wing of the S5000 creating a low pressure zone to suck more air out from under the car.
Still seems odd to give up performance on purpose, they just would have need a larger front wing to keep it balanced. ![]() ![]() I would have added a gurney/wicker to the original Onroak diffusers too, to further enhance their effectiveness. ![]() Indycar uses such a layout with gurneys on the diffuser: ![]() |
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Maybe the idea is to have cleaner airflow and less reliance on wings so these things can actually race?
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Yeah, don't know how many times it needs to be spelled out to people in here that the aero decisions were intentional and chosen to a) keep costs down by utilising an off the shelf front wing and to reduce reliance in aero on an attempt to create cars that don't hold as well to the ground for closer and more exciting racing with cars moving around a lot and needing to be manhandled more.
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Indycars can race just fine! I think they are at a good level of aero for racing on lower-grade road circuits, and would be excellent role model. Indycar generate most of their downforce from the underbody, which works well and allows for good racing and good performance.
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It appears that 15 or so cars have been given the green light for production and they're underway on doing so. Still no real news about customers though so they might be taking a punt which will be interesting to watch unfold. I wonder how much of GRM's own money is going into it.
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Well we'll see if this series is worth it. I wonder if this series will happen at all to be fair. It's nice though to have a big name in Australia funding the series
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Historically open wheelers have always been a flop in Oz, F5000 was the most successful and it only lasted a very short time in retrospect and that was with all the top names apart from a few who raced at the time. Can we expect to see Supercar drivers racing these cars as Goss & Co did back then? I doubt it but live in hope which is probably foolish.
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Open wheelers (and sports cars) were historically where the big names raced until the late 60's. Touring cars were something that the big names (Like Goss Davidson Harvey Jones etc) raced as part of thier sponsorship or motor trade connection. It wasn't until the Armstrong 500 that the production based touring car racing started to become a dominant factor in media coverage. Even then the Tasman series and F5000 dominated the summer seasons with touring cars looked upon as support racing. Ancient history perhaps but don't twist history please. |
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