World Rallycross Championship 2019

[CS1]

Originally Posted by crossfades

As for "common knowledge" there is a big difference in running a car now compared to the ERC era and also a big difference between running a car in WRX compared to ERX. My point was that for 250 000€, Lysen was able to do a complete season at the top level. For 250 000€ now, you wouldn't get much out of it.

And they didn't profit from the ERC era either, it cost money but it was worth spending for those involved. It was either rich guys or regular people who were able, like Lysen, to get a budget to drive.

That was the budget was for last year, imagine this year then. Of course, where they have to spend they are equal, for fees, tyres and such. But when it comes to tests and R&D like you say, then it is a big issue. For a privateer it is hard to keep up with bigger teams.

Besides, then why is Grönholm, Loeb, Hansen etc. talking about high costs? Why is ERX so popular? Why are there so few teams in WRX? Perhaps I over exaggerated, but still, the costs have risen very quickly since the start of WRX. The costs of what rallycross used to be is cheap money now.

I agree with everything you say - my point about profit...... a driver who employs a team to run him with his budget will be a team ran as a business so they need to make profit. A privateer will still need 200,000 euro to do the same. As you say - big difference to WRX

[crossfades]

Originally Posted by CS1

I agree with everything you say - my point about profit...... a driver who employs a team to run him with his budget will be a team ran as a business so they need to make profit. A privateer will still need 200,000 euro to do the same. As you say - big difference to WRX

Yeah okay, then I understand, good point.

[rallycrossnl]

It's not that IMG isn't spending X amounts of money on the promotion and organizing of RX. It's just that there isn't a single dollar of their own money in it.

Before the first year of course, when drawing up the initial contracts and visiting clubs and tracks, would have cost them a couple of 10Ks. The initial 'please please please come to our track' price was 75K. Something Eurocircuit never ever would have been able to recover from without an enormous explosion in visitor numbers, which would be a traffic nightmare in it self. But would have them out of their initial costs in a jiffy.

[mivec]

And for saving budgets, only 8 tyres each event
How much are they? 250€ +VAT each?

[1975DCS]

Originally Posted by crossfades

I don't understand either what Bellamy is on about when it comes to costs. I can't imagine in any way that IMG has invested in WRX at "significant" costs to themselves when they charge horrendous amounts of money from those involved. Obviously he has no clue on how expensive WRX and rallycross at the top level has become.

Some examples;

Mads Lysen needed 250 000€ in order to do a whole season in ERC in 2012.

In the group Enthusiasts of Höljes RX on Facebook, there was a comment about how a driver that sat on the sideline this year had been offered a seat next season. However, that seat would come at a cost of 2 000 000€.

When the announcement came that PSRX would team up with VW last year, the contract was worth around 7 500 000 - 8 000 000€ according to Norwegian VG. https://www.vg.no/sport/motorsport/i...ng-til-80-mill

According to Susanne Hansen, Team Peugeot-Hansen and other teams perhaps spent between 2 000 000-4 000 000€. https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artike...gplYP98Ln56bAY

I really don't believe the budget is just 2-4.000.000 for the entire team... You can't develop a car, build 2-3 of them and maintain them all over the world in this level.

[crossfades]

Originally Posted by 1975DCS

I really don't believe the budget is just 2-4.000.000 for the entire team... You can't develop a car, build 2-3 of them and maintain them all over the world in this level.

She said that their budget and other budgets were around that area last season, that's all I know. You could very well be right.

But, since there aren't numbers specifying exact costs in order to maintain a high level of competitiveness, then maybe that is enough. WRX after all is not that expensive compared to other bigger motorsport.

[tbtstt]

2019 calendar reduced to 10 rounds, USA has been dropped:

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...s-revised-2019

[SnoodyMcFlude]

A positive move IMO...now just need to punt Abu Dhabi and go back to Montalegre.

Andrew Jordan tweeting that he's close to sorting an RX deal alongside his BTCC commitment. Although not clear if that's BRX, ERX or WRX.

[FIRE]

No EKS in 2019.

[crossfades]

VW seems to be out for next year, Solberg on Facebook.

I have some news for you all: after 2 incredible years it's time to press pause on our FIA World Rallycross Championship adventures. But this isn't the end, and as a team we continue and we work together. And yes, those future plans include me behind the wheel... 😀

We'll share more info soon but until then I’d like to thank every single team member, our partners, Volkswagen Motorsport, Monster Energy and Volkswagen Sweden for the support through 2017 and 2018. We have written a fantastic story together, and there's still more chapters to come!

https://www.facebook.com/PetterSolbe...type=3&theater

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by crossfades

VW seems to be out for next year, Solberg on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/PetterSolbe...type=3&theater

Does that mean Petter isn't back in World Rallycross next year or PSRXVW are not back next year?

[crossfades]

Article on VF now, PSRX and VW are out.

https://www.vf.se/2018/12/14/klart-v...rar-sig-ur-vm/

[Pozi]

So no VW, no Peugeot, no EKS and no OMSE.

Is anyone actually confirmed for WRX in 2019??

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by Pozi

So no VW, no Peugeot, no EKS and no OMSE.

Is anyone actually confirmed for WRX in 2019??

ES Motorsport have confirmed a Skoda: looks like they have the title in the bag at the moment!

[crossfades]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

ES Motorsport have confirmed a Skoda: looks like they have the title in the bag at the moment!

Prodrive got three drivers and GRX is building another Hyundai, so at least six cars I think.

[Racing Harz]

Can we close that series now?

[1975DCS]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Can we close that series now?

+1!

The bubble has burst... Or are they all trying to force IMG in to something? Let's hope they sell (all) the cars to privateers at least.

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by crossfades

Prodrive got three drivers and GRX is building another Hyundai, so at least six cars I think.

Then there's the Skodas (2 cars?) and the Munnich cars (2?) so that takes us to 10. Hansen will possibly run a couple of Peugeots, there was an A1 for Enzo Ide as well wasn't there? (I'm losing track of who's running what and where!)

However you look at it - it's not gone well for IMG has it?

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Then there's the Skodas (2 cars?) and the Munnich cars (2?) so that takes us to 10. Hansen will possibly run a couple of Peugeots, there was an A1 for Enzo Ide as well wasn't there? (I'm losing track of who's running what and where!)

However you look at it - it's not gone well for IMG has it?

I wonder if the departure of PSRXVW might actually attract entries? As long as Johan was racing overall victory looked very unlikely, but with him gone it's rather leveled the playing field.

(If Hansen manages to get hold of the 2018 specification 208's then Timmy is surely the favourite for 2019)

[1975DCS]

I think the worst part is that all those currently build are rotting away somewhere. Just like those Ford Focus. I think the Hansen's have the best chance to enter anyway. As they have been there before IMG and probably will be after.

[FIRE]

Fastest growing form of motorsport!



The pre-WRX generation is gone, now the current generation is leaving.

What a joke!


Solberg returns to his first love rally (with VW Polo R5)?

[Hi Low]

Well Well the final pieces of the FIAWorldRX Jigsaw has fallen apart, All 4 works backed teams leave for various reasons !!!!. Time now for caps on budgets, test days, and place weight penalties on event winners or boost adjustments like British touring cars, works well and keeps the field tight all season. Good luck to them all in there future Motorsport Adventures. PSRX Teams future WRC2 Polos Petter and Johan part works run !. Peugeot ! Ford !. EKS Dtm Manager, Bakkerud driver !.

[SnoodyMcFlude]

Funny how people complained that the manufacturers were ruining the sport, now they’ve gone people say it’s dead. Make your mind up, people.


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[1975DCS]

Originally Posted by SnoodyMcFlude

Funny how people complained that the manufacturers were ruining the sport, now they’ve gone people say it’s dead. Make your mind up, people.


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Are you missing something? That's the whole point! Because the manufacturers took over the sport, dictated why should have happened despite having zero interest in Rallycross before.

IMG was happy to serve the manufacturers and ex Rally and DTM drivers and now they all leave Rallycross as fast as they entered. Some because they want to electrify Rallycross too soon. The whole problem is that Rallycross shouldn't be the most advanced series in the world, it's not F1!

Even this wouldn't be a problem, but all the the WRX drivers are now turning their heads because they don't have factory support. It's a said development. Probably Hansen's are the only one from beginning to end...

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by SnoodyMcFlude

Funny how people complained that the manufacturers were ruining the sport, now they’ve gone people say it’s dead. Make your mind up, people.

It's just the usual thing you see in a series when the manufacturers turn up - costs go up, the privateers are forced out, it turns into an arms race between the manufacturers, costs go up, the manufacturers leave because it's too expensive and the series is dead as the private entries have dried up. (Same thing with Group C sportscars, Super Touring etc. etc.)

Seems that series that prevent manufacturer entries are maybe a better idea? GT3 and TCR are decent examples (although of course there are some suspiciously 'works' teams in GT3 - but the cars are available as customer cars and BOP keeps them in check)