The broad sunlit uplands of next March. Yeah, really. .

[bauble]

After Brexit will we no longer have to enter the EU song contest?

[Peter Mallett]

We're leaving the European Union, not Europe. So yes we are still involved in the tuneless competition.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by bauble

After Brexit will we no longer have to enter the EU song contest?

Wasn't the only time we ever won it long before we joined the EEC?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Wasn't the only time we ever won it long before we joined the EEC?

More to the point, how many of the entries are from countries in Europe?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by E.B

And this weekend's Rugby score v England is not going to improve things!

And after last week's injuries I think England were playing their B team?





Rugby is a strange game.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by grantp

More to the point, how many of the entries are from countries in Europe?

Russia and Australia are in Europe aren't they?

[Tim Falce]

Just watched about 90 seconds of the UK entry, imaginative lyrics, great dress sense and he can sing..............NOT. carry on then.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Russia and Australia are in Europe aren't they?

And Israel.

I thought the only reason anyone in the UK ever watched the thing was to enjoy Wogan's commentary. Obviously that would not be a current reason.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by grantp

And Israel.

I thought the only reason anyone in the UK ever watched the thing was to enjoy Wogan's commentary. Obviously that would not be a current reason.

Dunno, some people are strange, I was speaking to someone today that watches Strictly and I'm a Celebrity, they also go to Ikea because they want to.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Dunno, some people are strange, I was speaking to someone today that watches Strictly and I'm a Celebrity, they also go to Ikea because they want to.

Were you talking to my wife?

Even the Ikea bit - but usually only when there is a purpose.

Haven't been to Ikea myself for some years. The Swedish meatball lunch was a nice reminder of the many work trips I made to Stockholm back a few decades ago.

And the Dill flavoured crisps.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by bauble

After Brexit will we no longer have to enter the EU song contest?

I was shocked to read that apparently Australia has upped and moved... apparently Aus has contested the Eurovision song contest since 2015

[Gerard C]

Going to Ikea just to see furniture in kit… puzzles me. If you like to see what a real politician is, have a look to Manuel Valls personal file. Born in Spain, probably his father knew Franco. Went to France, brilliant guy -I mean Manuel…-, mayor of a great town, french PM, wanted to be president for the left side déculotté aux présidentielles wanted to be Barcelona mayor for the left sidedéculotté aux élections and now protesting at Madrid for the right side. I wonder when someone will buy a decent pair of trousers to this half naked SoB?

[Mike Bell]

Well perhaps after brexit Ikea will retreat from the ‘Independent states of the UK’ or at least start serving proper grub......

So, soft brexit now on the cards?

[Peter Mallett]

I received a pm from a member who voted remain and went to great pains to tell me that the Irish government was not at fault but that the UK as a whole is wrong to permit this to happen.

I respect the peron's position and indeed even understand it to an extent but, and this is a big but. The GF agreement is quite clear that there should be no hard border between North and South, so I do find it very odd that the Irish Government is pushing so hard to create one.

As to a soft Brexit? Life will be worse than being in.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Going to Ikea just to see furniture in kit… puzzles me. If you like to see what a real politician is, have a look to Manuel Valls personal file. Born in Spain, probably his father knew Franco. Went to France, brilliant guy -I mean Manuel…-, mayor of a great town, french PM, wanted to be president for the left side déculotté aux présidentielles wanted to be Barcelona mayor for the left sidedéculotté aux élections and now protesting at Madrid for the right side. I wonder when someone will buy a decent pair of trousers to this half naked SoB?

Right in line with the guy in Holland who was well known as anti-muslim.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...become-muslim/

It's one thing to decide that whatever evidence one might have heard on a subject is wrong and to decide to publicise one's new understanding but quite a different level of thought must be necessary to completely convert one's views and abandon almost everything that one's life has been about. And yet such 'flexibility' seems to be a trait of those who seek power, though perhaps not quite so obviously as with this apparent example.

[justracing]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

Dunno, some people are strange, I was speaking to someone today that watches Strictly and I'm a Celebrity, they also go to Ikea because they want to.

I can proudly conform that I have never been to Ikea, are they in the EU?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

As to a soft Brexit? Life will be worse than being in.

It will certainly be more complicated!

[bauble]

Originally Posted by E.B

I was shocked to read that apparently Australia has upped and moved... apparently Aus has contested the Eurovision song contest since 2015

You should be worried EB, the song contest is just the thin edge of the wedge, soon you will be unable to cross the Irish Backstop Border, use proper light bulbs, be ruled by unelected busy bodies, and not allowed back in to the UK.

Make a run for Papua New Guinea while you can.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by grantp

Right in line with the guy in Holland who was well known as anti-muslim.

Originally Posted by grantp

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...become-muslim/

It's one thing to decide that whatever evidence one might have heard on a subject is wrong and to decide to publicise one's new understanding but quite a different level of thought must be necessary to completely convert one's views and abandon almost everything that one's life has been about. And yet such 'flexibility' seems to be a trait of those who seek power, though perhaps not quite so obviously as with this apparent example.

How could anyone be anti muslm?

[Mike Bell]

Let’s not let religion get into the Brexit discussion, please.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Let’s not let religion get into the Brexit discussion, please.

Agreed, although there are aspects of the EU that would probably qualify it for religious status ...

[Terence Bower]

Originally Posted by bauble

[B]

How could anyone be anti muslm?

😂😂

[Podd37]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I received a pm from a member who voted remain and went to great pains to tell me that the Irish government was not at fault but that the UK as a whole is wrong to permit this to happen.



I respect the peron's position and indeed even understand it to an extent but, and this is a big but. The GF agreement is quite clear that there should be no hard border between North and South, so I do find it very odd that the Irish Government is pushing so hard to create one.



As to a soft Brexit? Life will be worse than being in.

Not sure where you are getting your information Peter but the Irish Govt are absolutely not pushing for a hard border. As someone who lived through the bloody war (and that is what it was, not the soft ‘troubles’ word bandied around, it was a war with horrific consequences on both sides) believe me, no-one wants that horror back again and a border will create it. The UK chose to leave, nothing to do with us. The Irish govt have, must and are elected to protect the interests of the republic. And as a nation, the most recent poll shows 92% here want to stay in the EU, a number which has risen steadily in the last 10 yrs. We are not anti uk we are just trying to fight like hell to protect ourselves.


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[grantp]

Originally Posted by Podd37

And as a nation, the most recent poll shows 92% here want to stay in the EU, a number which has risen steadily in the last 10 yrs. We are not anti uk we are just trying to fight like hell to protect ourselves.

Interesting.

What has changed in the past decade or so since the earlier vote to leave the EU and the subsequent re-vote to reverse that position when the EU objected?

[Peter Mallett]

But the UK as a whole voted to leave. What is happening is that certain parties are suggesting that because the UK wants to leave it is responsible for creating a hard border. As we know such a thing is unnecessary. Even if there's a hard Brexit borders won't be shut to UK or UK bound goods.

As reported the current regime, in terms of customs checks etc. On goods will remain.

The Irish backstop is a failed attempt to circumvent the will of the UK. If it had a break clause there would be no issue. But without a break clause the UK government cannot honour the referendum because it would be locked into the EU without any say in what goes on. Hence it is not the UK creating the problem but the EU.