WEC Kolles Prototype - Page 54

S griffin · 4 May 2019, 08:09 (Ref:3901667)

Well they still have time before Le Mans. I see it would be a good idea to use the race as a test session. It has potential for sure

Juntos · 5 May 2019, 10:31 (Ref:3901945)

So how do you contemplate the ByKolles testing at Spa?

S griffin · 5 May 2019, 11:31 (Ref:3901964)

I guess in the snow, it’s harder to test

**Aysedasi** · 5 May 2019, 12:22 (Ref:3901985)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

I guess in the snow, it’s harder to test

I think you could be right there!

S griffin · 5 May 2019, 12:33 (Ref:3901992)

At least there’s no chance of it happening at LM

**Aysedasi** · 5 May 2019, 15:36 (Ref:3902004)

Not normally.....

Damian Baldi · 5 May 2019, 17:52 (Ref:3902025)

I think they couldn't get much information in that weather. They weren't slow in the rain, but when the track dry up they were 4 to 5 seconds slower than the Rebellion or SMP.

If i'm not wront they said that there will be a new tube for Le Mans with a different engine union.

TF110 · 5 May 2019, 18:21 (Ref:3902034)

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Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

I think they couldn't get much information in that weather. They weren't slow in the rain, but when the track dry up they were 4 to 5 seconds slower than the Rebellion or SMP.

If i'm not wront they said that there will be a new tube for Le Mans with a different engine union.

Right. A new tub or chassis made for the Gibson engine. The one they use now is modified from the fit it had for the Nissan engine.

Damian Baldi · 5 May 2019, 18:36 (Ref:3902042)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Right. A new tub or chassis made for the Gibson engine. The one they use now is modified from the fit it had for the Nissan engine.

Why don't they change other areas of the tube. The front suspension looks so outdated. I mean the protuberances for the push rods.

TF110 · 5 May 2019, 19:12 (Ref:3902054)

Found this on the webs, appears to be another look at the proposed ByKolles hypercar

Akrapovic · 5 May 2019, 19:20 (Ref:3902057)

Good find. Looks like it's part of the package from this website:

http://lmhypercar.com/

Amazed they have a website up about it.

Damian Baldi · 5 May 2019, 19:21 (Ref:3902058)

It looks good, but it's a DPi on extreme, below that shape it looks seems a Prototype, not a GT.

From Toyota, they said "with all the respect" that they are not interested in racing against ByKolles or small private teams. If no other manufacturer joins in, Toyota will leave.

What defines a "Hypercar"? It have to be hybrid? It have to look futurist? It must remind a production car? It have to be a cheaper LMP1-hybrid?

S griffin · 6 May 2019, 10:23 (Ref:3902180)

Well it’s a nice looking car, but will it work, that and the GTs

Toyota will probably want more competition, as they would rather beat manufacturers than privateers. If they go the series is doomed

The organisers are riding a lot on the Hypercar future. They should be pushing for manufacturers to come in

Damian Baldi · 6 May 2019, 14:12 (Ref:3902248)

Dillman about Spa race and other details.

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...ibson/4382475/

S griffin · 6 May 2019, 16:31 (Ref:3902263)

Thanks for that, nice to hear his view on it

Juntos · 6 May 2019, 18:44 (Ref:3902321)

Apart from bad Karma, that Enso has the pace of the LMP2s, no better.

TF110 · 7 May 2019, 01:57 (Ref:3902392)

The quotes are basically what I was expecting. The race was a glorified test session for the car. It has a new engine, new electronics, new suspension geometry etc. They were always going to be on the back foot, but at least they got some running and the engine didn't fail plus they didn't catch fire!

nobster · 7 May 2019, 06:11 (Ref:3902409)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

Apart from bad Karma, that Enso has the pace of the LMP2s, no better.

It has a different look then most other LMP cars, it looks much shorter.

Deleted · 9 May 2019, 15:43 (Ref:3902804)

Being the only non-Oreca/Dallara/Onroak/Toyota left on the LMP grid, you ought to look different

Damian Baldi · 9 May 2019, 16:43 (Ref:3902812)

I been asking myself "why I like and follow this team that almost can't finish any race"?

I think it's because this is maybe the only old-school prototype. Because since that chassis is on P1 class, it have had different aero, different gearbox, different steering wheel, and three different engines. On the other side, this team with his small budget have tried to improve. It's a kind of David vs Goliath story.

Deleted · 9 May 2019, 17:22 (Ref:3902817)

It is the only 'exotic weird car' left in the entire world of ACO racing, that's why. In the past we had Domes and Paganis and Normas and Pilbeams and Panoz and Epsilon Euskaldis and whatever else strange popping up regularly, but for the past few years since the introduction of spec enforcing and balance of performance, there's not been much non-stock in offer. And now there is only CLM, smoking in the corner even if introducing new parts to every other race

**Aysedasi** · 9 May 2019, 17:24 (Ref:3902819)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

And now there is only CLM.....

There's a football chant in there somewhere....... Perhaps we could take it up on the tribunes this year......

Akrapovic · 9 May 2019, 17:26 (Ref:3902820)

I agree with them being under dogs and that's why we love them, but I think we have to be careful thinking that it's the only old-school prototype. We're getting into rose tinted classes. (like that? classes? Like LMPs? Come on, that's comedy gold)

For sure the Rebellion is based on the Oreca 07, which was based off of previous generation ones etc. But that's been the norm for sportscar racing for decades. The Porsche 962 was certainly a true prototype, but it was also a pretty spec customer car that had roots elsewhere. Then you had the Dauer version of it, which you could argue that's what the R13 is - special version of a customer car.

I do agree the ByKolles is the one exotic left. But I dont think this is the 'norm' in modern sportscar racing. We're at the end of a regulation set, and that's when numbers and variety are at their lowest. Only 3 years or so ago we had much better variety.

Deleted · 9 May 2019, 17:33 (Ref:3902823)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I do agree the ByKolles is the one exotic left. But I dont think this is the 'norm' in modern sportscar racing. We're at the end of a regulation set, and that's when numbers and variety are at their lowest. Only 3 years or so ago we had much better variety.

I see the spec enforcement of LMP2 and LMP3 pretty much in the same light as BoP and pro-am: once they've been introduced and all cannons unleashed, they're not gonna be taken away... because people now take these Trojan horses for granted, expect it. With LMP1/GTP/GT1/whatever also going BoP route, it will mean the end of unique manufacturers, at least in the privateer side (well other than Kolles and Glickenhaus maybe)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

There's a football chant in there somewhere....... Perhaps we could take it up on the tribunes this year......

Sure

andrewn7 · 9 May 2019, 18:48 (Ref:3902846)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

It is the only 'exotic weird car' left in the entire world of ACO racing, that's why. In the past we had Domes and Paganis and Normas and Pilbeams and Panoz and Epsilon Euskaldis and whatever else strange popping up regularly, but for the past few years since the introduction of spec enforcing and balance of performance, there's not been much non-stock in offer. And now there is only CLM, smoking in the corner even if introducing new parts to every other race

I'll raise you with a Lister Storm LMP. Loved that car

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