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Old 28 Sep 2002, 09:43 (Ref:390428)   #1
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Ferrari Italian Job.
When are will ferrari sign an italian driver? Why not make the package the complete italian job.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 09:45 (Ref:390430)   #2
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Don't think they will for a while, as it always seems to get too political when they have an Italian driver.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 09:49 (Ref:390431)   #3
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Never, for the reasons Mr V mentioned.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 09:56 (Ref:390434)   #4
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They have had FAR too many problems with the Italian drivers - and too be honest, it's not really fair on them either, what with the tifosi and all...
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 12:33 (Ref:390514)   #5
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Complete Italian job?

I don't think employing an Italian driver would achieve this.

Ferrari lives in the international world. An English technical director, a French team boss, a South African designer. A German and Brazilian driver fit in perfectly.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 12:43 (Ref:390520)   #6
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Hey pole2pole, I was (coincidentally) watching Michael Palin's program as I replied to this!
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 13:48 (Ref:390530)   #7
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I don't think it's _that_ unrealistic... I can see Fisi there once M$ retires.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 14:46 (Ref:390546)   #8
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If LB was given a ferrari drive, he would do the job. The poor guy's just never been given a chance to race a decent car in F1.

Its all Ivan Capelli's fault.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 20:13 (Ref:390677)   #9
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If LB was given a ferrari drive, he would do the job. The poor guy's just never been given a chance to race a decent car in F1.

Its all Ivan Capelli's fault.
Luca, don't wanna start a bun fight here, but Ferrari could quite easily given Badoer the chance on a temporary basis in '99 to stand in for TGF when he broke his leg, the thing is, Ferrari know he can't do the job, no matter how good a test driver he is, and thats why Salo got the job.

It's not Capelli's fault that Badoer hasn't been given the oppertunity.
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 20:17 (Ref:390679)   #10
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Capelli , got a rough ride at Ferrari , and it wasnt all his doing .
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 21:12 (Ref:390720)   #11
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Why has schumi never had a italian team mate at ferrari?
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 21:24 (Ref:390726)   #12
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Because the last Good Italian F1 driver was ...err,umm,hmmm,arrr????........Ascari
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 21:28 (Ref:390732)   #13
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The Scuderia would get slaughtered if Schumi's lackey was an Italian!
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 21:31 (Ref:390737)   #14
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What about Fisi are Trulli put these guys in this years ferrari and lets see what they do
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Old 28 Sep 2002, 22:23 (Ref:390767)   #15
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The reason M$ doesn't have an Italian teammate is because Ross Braun and Jean Todt know they'd be LYNCHED by the Tifosi if Giancarlo had been forced to pull over at Austria the way Rubens did.
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Old 29 Sep 2002, 01:24 (Ref:390833)   #17
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Its all Ivan Capelli's fault.
Capelli was given a rough ride, and the F1A92 Ferrari was a truck. Alesi complained about it's power in Mexico when he got overtaken by Andrea de Cesaris in a TYRRELL-ILMOR!!

The car was slow, handled badly and rarely finished a race. It was certainly not Capelli's fault. And the last Italian to drive for the Scuderia was Nicola Larini, who did two/three races in 1994.
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Old 29 Sep 2002, 07:44 (Ref:390919)   #18
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the F1A92 Ferrari was a truck.
careful, you may get sacked...

Larini did a decent job in the few races he had. IIRC he earned a couple of points at Imola.
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careful, you may get sacked...

Larini did a decent job in the few races he had. IIRC he earned a couple of points at Imola.
Adam, that was in the Ferrari 412T of 1994, not the F1A92.
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Why has schumi never had a italian team mate at ferrari?
Because as it was explained before, Ferrari do not hire Italian drivers.
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What about Fisi are Trulli put these guys in this years ferrari and lets see what they do
They won't do that, because as it was explained before, Ferrari do not hire Italian drivers. Besides, Ferrari are not there to "lets see what happens". They're there to win. Another rather good and obvious reason is that maybe Trulli or Fisi, altough nice chaps and good drivers are not exactly the best...
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Oh, there's a difference between Capelli and Larini. Larini got along a little bit better, however he was not under same pressure. Larini was a test driver (and being an Italian driver to test Ferraris is not that hard) and he substituted Alesi in a couple of races. However Capelli was a full-time driver. He head to deal with the entire Italian press and entire nation's expectation. He didn't cope that so well, and that effectively ruined his career. That Ferrari car was really a truck, but as they say it is Ferrari who wins and the drivers who lose. Capelli was also Italian.
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Old 29 Sep 2002, 09:26 (Ref:390962)   #22
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mr v: Yeah, I know. I was just making a little funny about your Prost-esque remark and a separate point about Larini doing a good job.

Red, I think the old days of not hiring Itailan drivers (for all those scarey reasons!) could well be gone. More recently at the times when they have changed the number two the Ferarri management probably didn't rate the Italians on offer as much as the drviers they signed. It wasn't a case of ignoring the Italians, just prefering the ones the did actually sign. It is difficualt to tell when they only change every three years or so!
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Old 29 Sep 2002, 09:31 (Ref:390967)   #23
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Yes, you're right, the Italian driver's offer is quite scarce, but the reasons I posted there I believe I're read them in an interview with Jean Todt. Apparently even if they had an excellent driver they would not be willing to risk a repeat...
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mention Italian Job and a thousand Mini lovers raise ther heads!
I find this debate a little tiresome, if the might of Ferrari cared a tinkers cuss they would troll around the Italian talent pool (and lets not carried away here - there is a Stirling Moss or Ayerton Senna (GRHS..) somewhere out there just waiting for their big break in every country) and foster a youngster/not so youngster for their program.

It seems to me that they are basically uninterested in National pride except where their cars are concerned. No being critical or too harsh, just economic reality, let someone else pay for the development costs (Germany in Schumi's case) and put the whole economic package together........

Might I suggest you all get back to sorting out why F1 is so boring! It weren't always that way!!
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Might I suggest you all get back to sorting out why F1 is so boring! It weren't always that way!!
No offense, but I got back as you suggested and, damn, I LOVE IT!!!!!! However, if you might rephrase it something like "help me to sorting out why I find it so boring"....
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