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Old 21 May 2019, 15:28 (Ref:3905069)   #1756
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Link was mangled. Here is a working version...

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ms/3670736002/

The entire episode is a bit of a Schadenfreude moment. I am OK with that as Alonso and McLaren have both had success in the past and will find success in the future. They can both afford to take a public hit even if it is quite embarrassing. I feel really bad for the generally nameless crew who were clearly struggling to make it work. Dream gig becomes a nightmare.

Just imagine if part of the train-wreck was a documentary crew filming the entire thing.

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Old 9 Jul 2019, 19:18 (Ref:3916720)   #1757
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gert has a real shot at the podium!gert has a real shot at the podium!gert has a real shot at the podium!gert has a real shot at the podium!gert has a real shot at the podium!
Both drivers have been retained for 2020.
Good call IMO.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...orris-for-2020
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right! very good call and smart to get it done early.
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The only sensible thing to do (makes a change!) Both drivers are doing well and the car/engine is clearly now a much better prospect.
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Well they need a period of consolidation so retaining the drivers is the right thing to do
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Continuity is just what McLaren need at this juncture.
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Both have done well for the team, so it makes sense to retain them. Let's hope the car continues to improve too
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Many were looking for Zak Brown's head on a platter and said all his efforts were nothing more than him trying to save his position. Kudos for him and the team for putting their heads down and working through their problems.

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Many were looking for Zak Brown's head on a platter and said all his efforts were nothing more than him trying to save his position. Kudos for him and the team for putting their heads down and working through their problems.

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If anyone is deserving of Kudos, I would have thought it is Andreas Seidl. Since he was appointed team principle, McLaren have transformed.
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steve_r should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridsteve_r should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridsteve_r should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Andreas Seidl only joined McLaren in May of this year, so I doubt this seasons improved car and the good choice of drivers is much to do with him.
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Andreas Seidl only joined McLaren in May of this year, so I doubt this seasons improved car and the good choice of drivers is much to do with him.
I thought he was appointed back in January? Either way, things seem to have turned round since May.
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If anyone is deserving of Kudos, I would have thought it is Andreas Seidl. Since he was appointed team principle, McLaren have transformed.
Not knocking your comment or the contribution of various members on the team. But it is funny that when things are bad, everyone shoots arrows into whoever is at the top. Then if there is success, it is the underlings who made it happen.

I am a strong believer in... Everyone factors in somehow. But bad management at the top is hard to overcome via good talent deeper in the ranks.

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Not knocking your comment or the contribution of various members on the team. But it is funny that when things are bad, everyone shoots arrows into whoever is at the top. Then if there is success, it is the underlings who made it happen.

I am a strong believer in... Everyone factors in somehow. But bad management at the top is hard to overcome via good talent deeper in the ranks.

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Andreas Seidl isn't an underling, he was Team Principal for the Porsche LMP1 program and is now the Team Principal at McLaren. Bringing in someone new, can have a transforming effect. Let's see if McLaren's turn-around continues, or if it's just a flash in the pan.
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Andreas Seidl isn't an underling, he was Team Principal for the Porsche LMP1 program and is now the Team Principal at McLaren. Bringing in someone new, can have a transforming effect. Let's see if McLaren's turn-around continues, or if it's just a flash in the pan.
I am not disagreeing with you regarding Seidl. I have/had great respect for the Porsche LMP1 program (I am a huge Porsche fan as well). My point about "underling" is that... Brown is the CEO of McLaren racing. He is at the very top. By definition everyone below him is an underling. That doesn't take away the stature or contribution of Seidl.

Even if he came onboard after the base design of the 2019 car and 2019 driver selection, I have no doubt he has had a positive impact. But my point still stands that... when things are bad... everyone points at he very top of the pyramid. When things are good, they don't do the same. And in the end my larger point (that we would I hope agree upon) is that success/failure is not 100% due to the person at the top. But I did say that it's hard to have a successful organization regardless of your talent pool if you have a poor leader.

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as i tend to lean towards the drivers side of things, i would also throw some credit towards Alonso and Vandoorne...maybe more so Vandoorne as he potentially sacrificed his F1 career as he quietly and without complaint helped work out the last few years worth of cars issues out on track.
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