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23 Jul 2019, 10:42 (Ref:3918989) | #129 | |
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Should really be in the 2022 thread but it's a bit early for that.
Hybrid is here: http://www.btcc.net/2019/07/23/coswo...K8Ncx-Z2GLoeVk |
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Good to get some clarification on how it will be physically implemented, I’m not sure about the push to pass thing though, I have a horrible feeling that an extra 40bhp will just make overtakes too easy.
Means the cars will be well over 400bhp then too, which is crazy power for front wheel drive, race car or not! |
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With the introduction of Hybrid technology I think BTCC are moving away from the type of regulations that other touring car series use and putting off competitors from abroad from taking part on a guest basis.
The days of guest drivers from other overseas series is over. |
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But the BTCC Cars are already built to a unique specification for the series anyway. It's not been to an International specification since Group A was dropped in the 90's.
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23 Jul 2019, 12:36 (Ref:3919015) | #135 | |
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Group A was superseded by the Class 2 2.0 cars, which became known as Super Tourers in 95. The class was used in just about every touring car championship around the world. It wasn't a unique Btcc specification.
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OK, but as far as I'm aware, the current (pre-hybrid) cars are built to a unique set of regulations that is only used in the BTCC?
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Exactly. NGTC.
This is NGTC with some hybrid gubbins added. So no more or less likely to put off Johnny Foreigner. |
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Gonna be interesting without Success Ballest. I think it's alright, but it will be nice to see cars qualify on pure pace
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It still won't be pure pace though, instead of ballast the cars will have an incremental restriction on the amount of hybrid power available to the leading drivers so although they will all be the same weight, some will have more power than others...
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I’d have preferred a passive system, whereby it gave drivers an extra boost out of slow corners say, from 0kph to 140kph, after which the system shut off.
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Push to pass can be quite ok tbh, in DTM and IndyCar it works well, I mean, P2P is better than DRS, for example, as it's used not only for attacking but also defending. So it may prove quite successful.
I'm happy performance weights will be scrapped but still shame the amount of power would be smaller for the quicker ones. |
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It still relies on whether a driver has used up the extra power at any given time.
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I'd much rather the tyre nonsense was dumped. As much as I dislike ballast it doesn't create the stupid and potentially dangerous - in my opinion - problem of a car being at the sharp end on the wrong tyre acting like a mobile chicane.
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It hasn't posed a problem so far this season. Performance difference hasn't been as big as in previous seasons and the drop off has been minimal. I'd say this year they have got it right.
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I think the tyre one is the least artificial. So that can stay
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I thought they might do something more interesting like have the undriven wheels powered like the old LMP1 cars, so effectively it’s a mild AWD system.
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I'm a big fan of hybrids, but I'm not sure what it brings to BTCC. Success ballast is a good solution because it's cheap and can't go wrong. Changing hybrid power just seems like a more complex expensive solution to achieve the same thing.
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You have to look at the bigger picture - for the companies looking to sponsor teams & drivers, going hybrid is the 'green' credentials that they can use to win over the funding. Within a few years, just about every new car will be hybrid of some form so just like moving to turbo engines it needs to be done.
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Menu raced for Vauxhall at Thruxton in 2007 and SEAT also drafted in Coronel from the WTCC for the same event. And then in 2009 WSR added a third car for Reid for the last three rounds but he was largely ineffective.
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