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i did very much like that during quali several laps were excluded because drivers had exceeded track limits. i hope this continues.
for me this is the way forward...loss of lap times in quali, hand out excessive time penalties during races, DQ from repeat offence and most certainly remove the right for teams to appeal and, imo, within a couple of races the drivers will have more respect for the track limits. the technology exists and its also the cheaper solution. |
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It’s a problem though when so many are reported for track limits. Proper run offs for me aren’t necessarily ones that punish drivers, but ones where drivers do not gain an advantage from
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You could put sheep in the run off areas,wool is very absorbent and springs back after compression.
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I agree with a lot of the stuff said above and, has been said for a long time now.
Penalty for running off track. Grass walls, slippy surface, whatever. I like the suggestion the track should be less grippy overall. However I wouldn't encourage this all the time. I'd encourage variation of track surfaces for variety and to make driving and car set-up harder. |
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Circuit bumps like Silverstone was beginning to display before the latest billiard table resurfacing seems like the easiest way of making the cars more difficult to set up, try and program random bumps in a simulator some time. If a slick run off is followed by a sand trap then we should see an off similar to that experienced by Leclerc in Germany. Sand traps are fine for the bikes as well, the specialist bike circuits feature sand traps. The sentiment that you can fall off the circuit and continue is largely an F1 invention, fall off a bike and it is so bent it is not going anywhere! I am fine with the fall off and retire scenario, it will make the races much more interesting and introduce risk and skill and reward into F1 racing. Initially we may have a few safety car periods while they dig the errant out of the gravel tracks, but the drivers will quickly learn that going off is not how you score points and you will not get son many safety car periods. P.S. Great discussion. Last edited by wnut; 2 Aug 2019 at 00:43. |
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That's one reason they got rid of gravel-traps and reduced the kerbing, at some tracks like Monza, particularly at the Parabolica. If the rider drops the bike, they can slide off the track.
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I thought riders preferred gravel as it slows the momentum of them when they fall off. In fact asphalt run off was blamed for Salom's death IIRC
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Yes, but talking about the 2 feet of grass beside the track - if its tarmac, the rider stays on. If it's grass, the rider comes off. Regardless of what the rest of the gravel trap is, the first 2 feet is crucial to what happens to a bike.
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The kerbs are a problem for the bikes, the saw tooth kerbs that were good at unsettling cars are a no no for a sliding rider, the gravel traps if prepared flat are not a problem and are still in use at the specialist bike tracks, Aragon for instance. Gravel traps are not a problem for bikes BJ.
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Usually the bike goes down well before the trap, the Luis Salom crash at Catalunya was a graphic illustration of the effect of paved run offs put in for cars on slowing down a crashed bike.
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Why can't bikes use catch nets to prevent the rider sliding into solid objects?
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Well we did have catch fencing back in the day, which was good at slowing cars, but had additional hazards which is why they switched to sand/gravel
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Catch fencing. Ah yes. They put up barriers to prevent us hitting the trees then planted trees to stop us hitting the barriers.
I remember racing at Silverstone with catch fencing. One Sports 2000 ran a little wide and got wrapped himself up in wire. Took ages to unwind him and wrecked £1k worth of bodywork! Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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I remember going to the 1975 British GP at Silverstone and as it started to rain for the second time, Jarrier went off just after the new chicane at Woodcote and into the catch fencing. One of the wooden poles, holding it in place, flew up in the air and into the grandstand I was sitting in and hit this woman spectator on the forehead. Fortunately it was a glancing blow, otherwise it would have been nasty. It was scary enough as it was.
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No wonder they replaced it with gravel, it had it's own hazards. Although it was have saved Patrick Depailler if they hadn't removed it for that particular test session
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SG is right. There were times when cars were wrapped in the catch fencing and injured drivers were trapped. Since the same tracks are used for bikes and cars there were fears for riders too.
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Qatar used to be like that, before plans for F1 to go testing there added in tarmac runoff
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Maybe they just need to get rid of at least 2 or more of the practice sessions so that teams can't do the long runs needed to work out how long the different tyres last.
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Peter, I made no reference to cars, I have raced cars & karts for many years and was only interested in bike riders as they are the most vulnerable.
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Yes I understand.
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so do public displays of nationality/citizenship still have a place in F1?
with everything that is going on in the world, is celebrating birth right citizenship 'too political' for a sport that tries to distance itself in every other way from the politics of the world/places they travel to? more to the point, if a team claims to be born out of Country X, while competing out of Country Y, but is registered (effectively naturalized) in Country Z for tax purposes does it really matter where a driver is from? i guess the question going forward then is F1 presenting itself as competition space beyond boarders/a truly global competition above the confines of national ideologies more in keeping with the mind set of future generations? |
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