WEC WEC 2019/20 season - Page 21

Deleted · 30 Jul 2019, 17:26 (Ref:3920425)

Speaking of. Beamesnil says they cannot have success ballast for LM due to potential manipulation of the system, but he's forgot that both Sebring and Bahrain already hand out more points than the 4&6 hour races. So it makes sense to sandbag in other events as well.

It makes sense for Toyota to do this:

Silverstone - win
Fuji - win with some handicaps so that they'll get "good show" in front of home crowd
Shanghai - who cares, expendable, heavy in ballast after winning twice
Bahrain - slightly less ballast to take win and max points
Interlagos - who cares, expendable, heavy in ballast
Sebring - slightly less ballast to take win and max points
Spa - doesn't matter what you do here since ballast doesn't carry to LM so might as well win

**Adam43** · 30 Jul 2019, 23:35 (Ref:3920467)

I do hope you will keep reminding of us of this at each race. So we can keep up with how bad it all is.

Mike E · 31 Jul 2019, 21:16 (Ref:3920596)

P1 preview and testing notes from Racer.

Interesting to hear Senna's take on the Rebellion. I remember Lotterer saying it was quite an edgy car to drive.

https://racer.com/2019/07/31/insight...mpression=true

Mike E · 1 Aug 2019, 08:15 (Ref:3920630)

yay, more snow.

23-25 April 2020

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...al-with-track/

carbsmith · 1 Aug 2019, 20:08 (Ref:3920721)

Eh it's only a week earlier than it's been.

Anyopenroad · 4 Aug 2019, 19:36 (Ref:3921352)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbsmith

Eh it's only a week earlier than it's been.

Squeezes April a bit. ELMS, Monza Blancpain Endurance and the Nurburgring 24H Qualification race all need to be fitted in to the previous two or three weekends. Blaincpain have already claimed the weekend before WEC. ELMS will probably be the weekend before that. The N24 Qualification race usually happens 5 weeks before the main event, which would mean a clash with Monza. I wonder if it will instead be slated for the Sunday after WEC, which would be a tasty double-header weekend.

canaglia · 4 Aug 2019, 22:05 (Ref:3921405)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyopenroad

Squeezes April a bit. ELMS, Monza Blancpain Endurance and the Nurburgring 24H Qualification race all need to be fitted in to the previous two or three weekends. Blaincpain have already claimed the weekend before WEC. ELMS will probably be the weekend before that. The N24 Qualification race usually happens 5 weeks before the main event, which would mean a clash with Monza. I wonder if it will instead be slated for the Sunday after WEC, which would be a tasty double-header weekend.

Unfortunately for WEC, Formula E is a challenge that cannot be afforded....

Mike E · 8 Aug 2019, 08:06 (Ref:3921911)

This is a strong Am line up. Pity he couldn't run the Ford though.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ith-project-1/

gert · 8 Aug 2019, 10:09 (Ref:3921931)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike E

This is a strong Am line up. Pity he couldn't run the Ford though.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ith-project-1/

But Lindsey/Bergmeister are out
(or have they chosen not to return?)

**Peter Mallett** · 8 Aug 2019, 10:10 (Ref:3921932)

The article suggests they are not defending their title so seems like they have chosen not to return.

broadrun96 · 8 Aug 2019, 11:37 (Ref:3921939)

I think Lindsay has said he was stepping back a bit and was considering an IMSA program, likely part year or Enduros.

GT6 · 8 Aug 2019, 15:52 (Ref:3921956)

Tickets for silverstone arrived this morning so in 4 weeks i will be on my way to the first race of the season

Mike E · 10 Aug 2019, 10:25 (Ref:3922176)

Rebellion confirm drivers for single car entry: Senna, Menezes, Nato.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...iver-crew.html

**joeb** · 10 Aug 2019, 16:21 (Ref:3922201)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike E

Rebellion confirm drivers for single car entry: Senna, Menezes, Nato.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...iver-crew.html

Solid lineup, hope they can still get a second car on the grid at some point.

Deleted · 10 Aug 2019, 17:10 (Ref:3922208)

Another "everyone's a winner" trophy is just what was missing
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...bronze-driver/

Deleted · 11 Aug 2019, 20:07 (Ref:3922336)

"I won a race today Steve"
"Wow that's really great Boris"
"Yeah it was amazing, I got to be on the podium together at the same time with the winners"
"Congratulations... wait what?"
"I was on the podium with the winners"
"But didn't you just say you won?"
"Oh no I mean I didn't win it overall, but I won our competition"
"Ah that's right, you're competing in that secondary class. So okay you won your category, LMP2 was it, but why were you on the podium with the overall winners"
"No I was on the podium with LMP2 winners"
"But you are in LMP2, are you not? So you won LMP2"
"Yes... no..."
"I'm confused"
"It's alright I explained it poorly, I mean I won the gentelemen drivers trophy. You know trophy for best scored genteleman drivers"
"Oh so you beat teams with professional lineups and won because of that?"
"No every team needs to have non-pro-classified driver.. But I beat the other non-pros"
"Okay but still, best genteman driver in the race? That's quite achievement to get"
"Yeah, yeah. Well, best genteleman driver in LMP2, not GTE-AM.
"Right"
"Best non-Silver gentleman driver in LMP2"
"Okay"
"I was competing against three other Bronze-rated guys within our category, it took a lot to win this trophy"
"Sure"
"You see not all teams choose to have Bronze gentlemen drivers in their cars, they instead choose these better Silver gentlemen drivers"
"I can see why racing teams would want to have faster guys"
"Yes but it's not fair to us who have Bronze drivers"
"Oh"
"And you know our Oreca chassis even beat the Aurus and Alpine chassis"
"Those are much faster constructors than yours?"
"Yes. Well it's the same car we all have..."
"What?"
"Different names though"
"Listen Boris..."
"I got a trophy Steve. I paid a lot to get this far. You know my team wouldn't exist without me. And if I don't get a trophy for paying to run a car, what is the point of racing"
"... I'm not sure I want to know the answer for that anymore"

Akrapovic · 11 Aug 2019, 20:30 (Ref:3922340)

That’s a lot of effort for something which makes no difference.

Does anyone watch the podiums?

**joeb** · 12 Aug 2019, 00:10 (Ref:3922359)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

That’s a lot of effort for something which makes no difference.

Does anyone watch the podiums?

I do at Le Man's, but that is it. Last time I saw one in person was about 2006.

broadrun96 · 12 Aug 2019, 00:14 (Ref:3922362)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

I do at Le Man's, but that is it. Last time I saw one in person was about 2006.

What? You don't scurry down the hill for the 47 ceremonies at Petit?

Juntos · 12 Aug 2019, 20:49 (Ref:3922486)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

"I won a race today Steve"
"Wow that's really great Boris"
"Yeah it was amazing, I got to be on the podium together at the same time with the winners"
"Congratulations... wait what?"
"I was on the podium with the winners"
"But didn't you just say you won?"
"Oh no I mean I didn't win it overall, but I won our competition"
"Ah that's right, you're competing in that secondary class. So okay you won your category, LMP2 was it, but why were you on the podium with the overall winners"
"No I was on the podium with LMP2 winners"
"But you are in LMP2, are you not? So you won LMP2"
"Yes... no..."
"I'm confused"
"It's alright I explained it poorly, I mean I won the gentelemen drivers trophy. You know trophy for best scored genteleman drivers"
"Oh so you beat teams with professional lineups and won because of that?"
"No every team needs to have non-pro-classified driver.. But I beat the other non-pros"
"Okay but still, best genteman driver in the race? That's quite achievement to get"
"Yeah, yeah. Well, best genteleman driver in LMP2, not GTE-AM.
"Right"
"Best non-Silver gentleman driver in LMP2"
"Okay"
"I was competing against three other Bronze-rated guys within our category, it took a lot to win this trophy"
"Sure"
"You see not all teams choose to have Bronze gentlemen drivers in their cars, they instead choose these better Silver gentlemen drivers"
"I can see why racing teams would want to have faster guys"
"Yes but it's not fair to us who have Bronze drivers"
"Oh"
"And you know our Oreca chassis even beat the Aurus and Alpine chassis"
"Those are much faster constructors than yours?"
"Yes. Well it's the same car we all have..."
"What?"
"Different names though"
"Listen Boris..."
"I got a trophy Steve. I paid a lot to get this far. You know my team wouldn't exist without me. And if I don't get a trophy for paying to run a car, what is the point of racing"
"... I'm not sure I want to know the answer for that anymore"

You rock!

**joeb** · 12 Aug 2019, 21:03 (Ref:3922491)

Funny stuff indeed, but does letting someone in on the podium ceremony really take away from your enjoyment of the on-track product? After all, this series wouldn't exist if it weren't for the pro-am classes, and the ACO knows they need to keep their entrants happy if they want the world championship to survive.

TF110 · 12 Aug 2019, 22:51 (Ref:3922505)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

Funny stuff indeed, but does letting someone in on the podium ceremony really take away from your enjoyment of the on-track product? After all, this series wouldn't exist if it weren't for the pro-am classes, and the ACO knows they need to keep their entrants happy if they want the world championship to survive.

Exactly. I know the winners and the places at the end of the race. Don't care about the ceremonies and who they include. That doesn't matter nearly as much as the on-track action. If you want to hand out trophies, go ahead. Maybe it might actually spur some more interest to wealthy owners. They then can tout their success and perhaps attract sponsors which in the end is a good thing.

I absolutely don't like "participation trophies" for everyone, to be clear. But that seems to be what is going on lately, and not just in sports or racing. That's something individually, you can't change. I try to leave things like that, that border on politics, out of racing discussion. It never ends well imo.

rich07 · 13 Aug 2019, 09:40 (Ref:3922549)

So the long term GT AM trio of Dalla Lana/Lamy/Lauda has been broken up with Lamy and Lauda being replaced by Darren Turner and Ross Gunn. Gonna feel a bit odd seeing the without Lamy and Lauda as the three have been together for a while.

Mike E · 13 Aug 2019, 10:06 (Ref:3922555)

And Miguel Molina replaces Sam Bird in the #71 Ferrari.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...te-pro-roster/

gert · 13 Aug 2019, 10:27 (Ref:3922559)

Molina has been confirmed as Bird's replacement in the AF Corse Ferrari
The other car remains unchanged

https://www.endurance-info.com/fr/fe...ages-af-corse/

EDIT: Ouch, I'm slow

Didn't refresh the page before I posted this.

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