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#2 Pye/Luff WAU Mobil1 Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#3 Jacobson/Fiore KR Rabble Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#5 Holdsworth/Randle Tickford Bottle O Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#6 Waters/Caruso Tickford Monster Energy Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#7 Heimgartner/Fullwood KR Plus Fitness Nissan | 1 | 1.89% | |
#8 Percat/Blanchard BJR BJR Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus Penrite Holden | 5 | 9.43% | |
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP Shell Ford | 0 | 0% | |
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR Freightliner Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#15 Kelly/Wood KR Castrol Nissan | 0 | 0% | |
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP Shell Ford | 12 | 22.64% | |
#18 Winterbottom/Richards Team18 Irwin Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#19 LeBrocq/Webb Tekno Truck Assist Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#21 Jones/Canto BJR CoolDrive Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#22 Courtney/Perkins WAU Mobil1 Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#23 Davison/Davison 23Red Milwaulkee Ford | 1 | 1.89% | |
#27 Hinchcliffe/Rossi WAU Napa Auto Parts Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#33 Stanaway/Pither GRM Boost Mobile Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#34 Golding/Muscat GRM Boost Mobile Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#35 Hazelwood/Smith MSR SP Tools Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#55 Mostert/Moffat Tickford SuperCheap Auto Ford | 2 | 3.77% | |
#56 Kostecki/Kostecki KBR Boost Mobile Holden | 0 | 0% | |
#78 de Silvestro/Rullo KR Harvey Norman Nissan | 1 | 1.89% | |
#97 Van Gisbergen/Tander RBHRT Red Bull Holden | 14 | 26.42% | |
#99 de Pasquale/Brown Erebus Penrite Holden | 1 | 1.89% | |
#111 Evans/Van Der Drift TKR TKR Holden (SCRATCHED) | 2 | 3.77% | |
#888 Whincup/Lowndes RBHRT Red Bull Holden | 10 | 18.87% | |
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21 Oct 2019, 06:58 (Ref:3936012) | #776 | ||
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Which begs the question, why didn't CAMS go harder? Scared of the Captains vast armada of resources? Or worried about previous "incidents" getting more scrutiny? |
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21 Oct 2019, 08:26 (Ref:3936018) | #777 | |||
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And yet you continue to argue.... You can put down the shovel, you hit rock bottom three posts ago. |
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21 Oct 2019, 08:28 (Ref:3936019) | #778 | |||
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21 Oct 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3936030) | #779 | |
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Poll. Does the DJRTP punishment fit the crime?
56% No 38% Yes 06% Unsure |
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21 Oct 2019, 09:46 (Ref:3936032) | #780 | |
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Clearly shows the punishment is too severe.
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21 Oct 2019, 10:08 (Ref:3936041) | #781 | ||
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21 Oct 2019, 10:17 (Ref:3936044) | #782 | ||
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21 Oct 2019, 10:27 (Ref:3936047) | #783 | |
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21 Oct 2019, 10:34 (Ref:3936048) | #784 | ||
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the debate is now a joke, close the thread.
Another bathurst "sorta" got out of control. The winner won |
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21 Oct 2019, 10:39 (Ref:3936049) | #785 | |
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Roland whinged and whinged and whinged to get more downforce and then lost the race because their fuel economy was shot!
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21 Oct 2019, 10:50 (Ref:3936050) | #786 | |
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It's no coincidence Supercars was most successful when "red vs blue" was at it's peak.
Rile one side up. They come out swinging then the other side hits back. Media reports on controversy, more drama ensues. Rinse repeat every couple of races. Ford. Holden. T8. Penske. These are not your "enemies", just players in a game. You feel angry, offended. You want to "hit back". That's what they want - constant bickering means you never stop to question/criticize those running and controlling the game. And doesn't it just generate some clicks! |
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21 Oct 2019, 19:40 (Ref:3936123) | #787 | ||
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Spot on Compromised, I have said many times in the last week or so that Supercars are loving this controversy and even feeding it, it means more punters buying TV and going to events, so more money in the gate and most likely more sponsors coming on board
They are loving the controversy, the bottom feeders |
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21 Oct 2019, 21:17 (Ref:3936137) | #788 | ||
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The poll is too simple, and also as per the comment section, filled with extreme tribalists who couldn’t see their favourite being wrong even after copping the punishment. |
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21 Oct 2019, 21:21 (Ref:3936139) | #789 | ||
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You keep referring to JW at Bathurst 2015 being the same as this...you are mistaken. JW 2015 cost those behind him less than 100m. Fabian cost those behind him 1km. If I'm not mistaken, that is 10 times worse. JW 2015 cost those behind him less than 2 seconds. Fabian cost those behind him 47 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, that is more than 20 times worse. But here is the fundamental difference that makes them not comparable...JW 2015 was under green flag conditions so cars were allowed to pass. Fabian was under full course yellow so no cars could pass. That is infinitely worse. 10 times worse in terms of distance lost; 20+ times worse in time lost; infinitely worse in terms of permission to pass. If you respond to this, please don't ignore the above topics of conversation to continue this e-****ing..if you respond please include if you accept those differences between JW 2015 and Debriss 2019 (if not, say which is/are mistaken); and has anyone in this series ever accepted and pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct under FIA (if yes, please say who). I'm not saying you have to restrict your response to just those topics, but it will be telling if you respond without going near either of those. |
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21 Oct 2019, 21:26 (Ref:3936140) | #790 | ||
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Sore losers might be better off buying a bottle of scotch, and crying into that instead. Last edited by Forda; 21 Oct 2019 at 21:48. |
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22 Oct 2019, 00:13 (Ref:3936148) | #791 | ||
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Bathurst 2019 is run & done now, winner declared, end of story.
DJRTP have copped penalties for what they did, IMHO they got off lightly but I struggle with the idea of taking the win away and if that had happened, would have felt wrong. To me, the biggest issue with what DJRTP did was that four lapped cars were denied the opportunity to get their laps back at that stage plus leading into that SC period, with different fuel loads etc, there was a handful of cars that might win or get on the podium, depending on the luck of the draw with further SC periods etc. With the gap put into the field, all those possibilities went out the window, meaning that we were effectively robbed of a pretty wild last 25-26 laps. 17 would still have been in contention and may have still won it but it just felt a bit flat I guess. Certainly no-one can say that another car would definitely have won were it not for the gap in the field. One thing that I think is almost certain is that there'll be some new rule structure in place next year to prevent this type of situation again. Won't be easy to write as these things are often a question of degree on what is considered "fair enough". Back in the day, there WAS a rule in the book that I think would have covered this situation but it was removed when the current "team orders" rule was put in place after the 2006 season ender - it's clear that it may be needed again. There will always be an asterisk against Rick Kelly's season title due to what happened at Phillip Island that year and I think that DJRTP have done Mr McLaughlin & Mr Premat a great disservice by potentially causing a similar asterisk to sit next to this year's Bathurst victory. |
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22 Oct 2019, 00:29 (Ref:3936149) | #792 | ||
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Perhaps the answer is simpler than we think
A car that fails to be within 5 car lengths of the one in front after a warning from race control cops an immediate pit lane penalty and/or the car immediately behind is authorised to pass |
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22 Oct 2019, 00:56 (Ref:3936151) | #793 | |||
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Or more simply introduce maximum times for any sector, failing to keep under maximum sector times allows followere to pass. |
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22 Oct 2019, 01:05 (Ref:3936152) | #794 | |||
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And would a warning be given in every instance? It would sure keep Race Control busy. I agree the answer is simple, but it requires the implementation of safety car procedures that focus first on safety. And racing flat out back to the pit lane is not safe. |
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22 Oct 2019, 01:12 (Ref:3936153) | #795 | |
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And if a double-stacking car impedes the car in the neighbouring pit bay from rejoining the race then both cars in that team get a drive through penalty.
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22 Oct 2019, 01:35 (Ref:3936156) | #796 | |
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Step 1 - Have officials that are smarter/more competent than the teams.
If you do not fufill this step, any other change is futile |
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22 Oct 2019, 08:03 (Ref:3936188) | #797 | ||
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22 Oct 2019, 08:19 (Ref:3936191) | #798 | ||
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So you might say from a homologation perspective we have caught up now, but we suffer from having non professional judiciary. But so do the footy codes.
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22 Oct 2019, 09:28 (Ref:3936206) | #799 | |||
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Why would I accept they're different when I believe (whether you think its right or wrong) they're not!!! Who are you that I cant have an opinion differing to yours?? Whincup held the field back until after Lowndes had bolted. Advantage Lowndes. Coulthard held them back, advantage McLaughlin. And if IIRC you can overlap but not pass until your passed the control line on a restart and you must keep the a pre determined gap to the car/cars in front. So to answer your burning question of being charged under obligation of fairness by the FIA? Why would I even care and what does it matter?? I'm not paying the fine. Does it change the fact that both your team and DJR cheated? Just because a pendant like you believe its a major game changer doesnt necessarily mean it is. In the grand scheme of things it matters not one iota to anyone with a passing interest in motorsport. The sponsors arent leaving, publicity has increased and I doubt most people wouldnt even know what the F.I.A does let along give a toss. In years to come I guarantee it wont mean a damn thing to anyone but rusted on hardcore supporters. But I'll take your word if that makes you happy. So to summarise, to me, in my opinion of which I'm entitled right or wrong, they're the same level of bad sportsmanship. In both instances there was a clear level of advantage to a team mate except one (DJR/Penske) took it way too far and was penalised accordingly. To you and your team they're not. Both happened, both are unsporting and I dont care who was charged with what by whom or what organisation when or where or if they got off scott free. Again for umteenth time I compared this instance to a 2015 instance to illustrate it has happened before to which even a former driver admitted it happened. I got what lap your driver Jamie was on wrong (and the availability of details of NATSOFT) so what? Still guilty of the same offence. If you cant deal with it, thats entirely your problem. I've shared my beliefs and admitted my mistakes yet you continue on some sort of moral crusade that you just cant let go. I'd agree to disagree but even then I'm guessing you'll need me to write an essay why that should be acceptable under ruleXXXX23.4 sub section d. o. What did I say earlier about fools and people not knowing the difference? |
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*sigh* I fear we are both embarrassing ourselves here, but I've got to ask...what does the below have to do with JW in 2015 or Debriss in 2019???
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