BTCC BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 60

Alfisti · 29 Nov 2019, 19:24 (Ref:3943731)

Really pleased and surprised to see Bushy back. Him having to drop out before the start of this year was probably my biggest BTCC disappointment this year.

Hopefully he'll have a lot of control over how his car is engineered: he knows his onions.

crmalcolm · 29 Nov 2019, 19:24 (Ref:3943732)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

whos doing the heavy rumouring about coates? fans putting two and two together or inside gossip?

https://twitter.com/TeamHardRacing/status/1186992357490728963?s=19

Evantra · 29 Nov 2019, 19:26 (Ref:3943733)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

whos doing the heavy rumouring about coates? fans putting two and two together or inside gossip?

https://twitter.com/teamhardracing/s...490728963?s=21

In fairness though, it doesn't specifically mention the BTCC, but it's hard not to see Max on the grid in 2020.

Edit - beat me to it!

Alfisti · 29 Nov 2019, 19:26 (Ref:3943734)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

whos doing the heavy rumouring about coates? fans putting two and two together or inside gossip?

I've heard nothing of substance - just rumour on here after big Tony tweated 6 ?'s - which turned out to be Goff! Coates is a good lad but I would be pleasantly surprised if he was able to get a BTCC sized budget.

mprmke · 29 Nov 2019, 19:36 (Ref:3943736)

Bit of a waste really. He showed genuine promise in the AMD Honda, but at least he’s on the grid, which isn’t easy in itself.

**bella** · 29 Nov 2019, 21:16 (Ref:3943752)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

https://twitter.com/teamhardracing/s...490728963?s=21

In fairness though, it doesn't specifically mention the BTCC, but it's hard not to see Max on the grid in 2020.

Edit - beat me to it!

nice pun

Evantra · 29 Nov 2019, 21:46 (Ref:3943766)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

nice pun

Haha didn't notice that!

Jiiiiiiim · 29 Nov 2019, 22:17 (Ref:3943770)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touring fan01

i think the original poster was getting confused between the S2000 FK2 and the NGTC FK2. the S2000 FK2 had a 'flat floor' but the NGTC FK2 never did as the regs didnt allow it.

Maybe my bad I was talking to an engineer next to a FK2 NGTC Car he looked after so assumed he was referring to that, maybe he was talking about the S2000. Cars were all stripped, so no floor there to view.

S griffin · 29 Nov 2019, 22:38 (Ref:3943772)

Good to have Bushell back full time, of course he was supposed to race for HARD last season, before giving his seat up to Goff

HopAlong · 30 Nov 2019, 08:44 (Ref:3943814)

Its an interesting to see what PMR do with the engine and how the "Engine can be sourced from a manufacturer’s broad ‘family’ range, including subsidiary marques under their effective control" rule works given the change of ownership. Does that rule pertain to the cars original designer or current owner. The Cadillac ATS and Camaro use the 2.0 and it would just be like Subaru using the Japanese spec WRX STI engine, but PSA don't have a suitable engine in any of their brands.

Robin Marriott · 30 Nov 2019, 10:54 (Ref:3943828)

Not sure if anyone needs tickets for Silverstone but if you do, they’ve for a Black Friday deal on their website - buy tickets for April, get the September ones FOC.

Robin Marriott · 30 Nov 2019, 11:19 (Ref:3943829)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HopAlong

Its an interesting to see what PMR do with the engine and how the "Engine can be sourced from a manufacturer’s broad ‘family’ range, including subsidiary marques under their effective control" rule works given the change of ownership. Does that rule pertain to the cars original designer or current owner. The Cadillac ATS and Camaro use the 2.0 and it would just be like Subaru using the Japanese spec WRX STI engine, but PSA don't have a suitable engine in any of their brands.

The car would have been homologated with the Vauxhall engine so it won’t need changing.

crmalcolm · 30 Nov 2019, 18:43 (Ref:3943871)

About as close to a 2020 BTCC confirmation as it is possible to be without actually saying it:

http://torq-racewear.com/news/2019/1...0-torq-athlete

S griffin · 1 Dec 2019, 15:03 (Ref:3944043)

No surprise there, he’s unlikely to go anywhere else

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2019, 15:51 (Ref:3944054)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Marriott

The car would have been homologated with the Vauxhall engine so it won’t need changing.

The engine in NGTC cars is homologated separately from the rest of the car.

Take Civic Chassis NGTC-12-006, built in 2012.

2012-2014 - Honda/Neil Brown engine.
2016-2017 - TOCA/Swindon engine.
2018 - Honda/Neil Brown engine.
2019 - TOCA/Swindon engine.

The Vauxhall Astras though have only every run with the TOCA/Swindon unit, and have never had a Vauxhall engine fitted. And currently Vauxhall do not offer a 2.0L petrol engine that could be used.

What this does show though is that perhaps the NGTC requirement for a 2.0L petrol is possibly too large an engine for the majority of manufacturers to meet nowadays?
The size of unit fitted to road going cars is becoming increasingly smaller, so the TOCA/Swindon engine is becoming the only option.

Pickles · 1 Dec 2019, 15:59 (Ref:3944055)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The Vauxhall Astras though have only every run with the TOCA/Swindon unit, and have never had a Vauxhall engine fitted. And currently Vauxhall do not offer a 2.0L petrol engine that could be used.

What this does show though is that perhaps the NGTC requirement for a 2.0L petrol is possibly too large an engine for the majority of manufacturers to meet nowadays?
The size of unit fitted to road going cars is becoming increasingly smaller, so the TOCA/Swindon engine is becoming the only option.

Excellent point, that did occur to me the other day when this topic came up, how many manufacturers now offer a 2.0 petrol engine in their range? Maybe this is something that will be looked at over time

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2019, 16:10 (Ref:3944056)

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Confirmed Entries
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Smith ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Osborne ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Cammish	2yr contract confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Neal	Confirmed as driver pairing in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant	Reported as continuing next year with the team
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	Plato	Talked about engine / chassis developments for 2020 in interview
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Ingram	Confirmed Ginsters backing for 2020 in article
Laser Tools/BMR	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools/BMR	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Rowbottom	Confirmed entry in Facebook post
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Morgan	Brands Hatch summary confirms 2020 return
HARD	VW CC	Goff	On BTCC.net (and others)
HARD	VW CC	Bushell	On BTCC.net (and others)
AmD	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post
AmD	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post

Likely Entries
???	???	???	Former HMS TBL
WSR	BMW 330i	???	???
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	???
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	Smiley	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	Cook	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers

Possible Entries
TradePrice(Amd)	???	???	???
TradePrice(Amd)	???	???	???
Team Parker	BMW ?	???	???
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	TBL on loan for 2019
???	MB A-Class	???	TBL+Car on sale from Laser Tools
???	Jag ?	Crees	Rumoured by Crees in a Facebook interview
WSR	BMW 330i	Jordan	Lost Pirtek sponsorship, says he wants to stay in the BTCC, but only with WSR
Maximum Motorsport	???	???	Lines evaluated a PMR car, and wants to run a young driver in BTCC
???	???	Chilton	Has been critical of the Focus in the press
???	???	Edwards	Has stated that she no longer drives in Clio Cup. Website is worded to suggest she is on the grid for 2020
HARD	VW CC	Thompson	Claims to have exciting 2020 news on social media soon
HARD	VW CC	Coates	Gilham #tagging?
HARD	VW CC	Crees	tags HARD on social media

Entries with doubt
???	???	Shedden	Speculation about wanting a return
???	???	M.Jackson	Linked to half of the teams on the grid
???	???	Blundell	Stated that he is undecided about a 2020 return
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
Simpson Racing	Honda Civic	Simpson	Rumoured to have vocalised a withdrawal
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai

crmalcolm · 1 Dec 2019, 16:12 (Ref:3944058)

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Words Marked
???	???	Jordan	touring fan01
???	???	Chilton	touring fan01, Alfisti
???	???	Files	TR4racer
???	Honda Civic	Boardley	Pickles
Not HARD	Not Honda Civic	Boardley	Pickles
Simpson TBL	Honda Civic	Not Simpson	Pickles
???	BMW 330i	Collard	Alfisti
BTC	Honda Civic	Chilton	billy bleach
Motorbase	3rd Car	???	Jiiiiiiim
PMR	3rd Car	???	Pickles
Trade Price	Audi S3 x2	???	Overboost
BTC	???	Chilton	Overboost
BTC	???	Cook	Overboost
PMR	???	Smiley	Pickles
Motorbase	???	Butcher	Pickles
HARD	???	Boardley	sceptic
HARD	???	Crees	sceptic
???	???	Shedden	Pickles
Trade Price?	Audi S3 x2	???	RS67

True Words Spoken
???	???	Sutton	touring fan01
AmD	Honda Civic x2	New Drivers	Overboost

False Words Spoken

Johno.UK · 1 Dec 2019, 17:21 (Ref:3944070)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The engine in NGTC cars is homologated separately from the rest of the car.

If an engine change is made does it come from the range that is available in 2020 or the range when the car was first run in the BTCC or when the car was first manufactured?

touring fan01 · 1 Dec 2019, 18:26 (Ref:3944081)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

If an engine change is made does it come from the range that is available in 2020 or the range when the car was first run in the BTCC or when the car was first manufactured?

from when the engine is homologated.
but with so much cross-ownership amongst car manufacturers nowadays its a lot easier to find the type of engine to suit. look at vauxhall, they are now part of peugeot citroen fiat alfa chrysler etc. lots of engine choices in lots of different countries around the world!

Petoli · 1 Dec 2019, 19:04 (Ref:3944086)

Of course the Astra and the Insignia are still powered by GM engines so could they develop a GM engine as that is what its avaliable or do they hace tp use PSA engine as they own Vauxhall?

Pickles · 1 Dec 2019, 19:24 (Ref:3944090)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petoli

Of course the Astra and the Insignia are still powered by GM engines so could they develop a GM engine as that is what its avaliable or do they hace tp use PSA engine as they own Vauxhall?

As has been said there now isn't a suitable engine available, unless they use the 2.0t that was used in the Insignia GSi. Vauxhall aren't part of Fiat Chrysler so couldn't use any of their engines.

touring fan01 · 1 Dec 2019, 20:16 (Ref:3944111)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickles

Vauxhall aren't part of Fiat Chrysler so couldn't use any of their engines.

they are currently merging so they will soon be part of the same group

Pickles · 1 Dec 2019, 20:19 (Ref:3944112)

Quote:

Originally Posted by touring fan01

yes they are. the companies are currently merging so they will be part of the same group

Oh yea, forgot about that

I thought we were referring to Vauxhall using Fiat engines in the past as a reason to be able to use them in BTCC

Alfisti · 1 Dec 2019, 21:25 (Ref:3944126)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickles

As has been said there now isn't a suitable engine available, unless they use the 2.0t that was used in the Insignia GSi. Vauxhall aren't part of Fiat Chrysler so couldn't use any of their engines.

That 2 litre does not exist anymore other than in second hand motor cars and no doubt there will be a few complete assemblies in a warehouse somewhere for warranty claims.

Anything in the rules to stop a team fitting a smaller capacity motor?

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